Dec 13, 2022 Work Session

WE'RE MOVING INTO OUR WORK SESSION AND WE HAVE A FEW ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY, BUT WE ARE GOING TO START WITH

[1. Staggered Term Discussion]

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SO MATT SMITH, WHO IS DOING A LOT OF OUR POLICY WORK, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

WE HAVE DELEGATE ELIZABETH BENNETT PARKER HERE WHO IS JOINING THE CONVERSATION WITH US.

AND THEN WE WILL ALSO HAVE SOME INPUT FROM TWO OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS.

WE MISS KELLY BOOZ AND DR.

SIMPSON THERE. SO WE HAVE A NICE OH, AND JOHN COPPOCK IS IN THE ROOM AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT, SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MATT.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS.

TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ALTERING THE TERMS CYCLE FOR ELECTIONS OF BOARD MEMBERS AND HOW LONG THOSE TERMS ARE.

EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITIES AND WHAT IT WOULD ENTAIL IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO THIS IS JUST A BEGINNING OF A CONVERSATION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

THIS CONVERSATION ACTUALLY OCCURRED PREVIOUSLY IN 2018 AND 2019.

EXTENSIVE RESEARCH AND CONVERSATIONS HAPPENED, THEN COVID HAPPENED.

AND SO WE'RE SORT OF PICKING THAT CONVERSATION UP AGAIN.

CAN I HAVE THE SLIDE DECK UP, PLEASE? NOW SORT OF SPEAK FROM MY, MY, MY, MY NOTES HERE WHILE SHE'S BRINGING THAT UP.

MOST OF YOU KNOW THIS CURRENTLY, THE BOARD HAS THREE YEAR TERMS BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST.

YOU'VE GOT NINE BOARD MEMBERS UNDER THREE DISTRICTS, EACH OF THREE MEMBERS.

YOU ALSO HAVE CONCURRENT TERMS, WHICH COINCIDES WITH THE CITY COUNCIL'S TERMS. FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, THE FIRST ELECTED BOARD WAS IN 1994 AND THE TRANSITION TO ELECTIONS CHANGED IN 2012, AND YOUR NEXT ELECTION WOULD BE IN 2024 NOVEMBER.

SO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WHILE THEY'RE WORKING UP, BRING UP THIS DECK HERE.

THERE WE GO. SOMEBODY GOT IT UP.

THANK YOU. I SUPPOSE I SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP TO. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO. SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

THE CODE OF VIRGINIA ESTABLISHES THE ELECTION TERMS FOR BOARDS.

AND IN GENERAL, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT SCHOOL BOARDS AND CITY BOARDS AND COUNTY BOARDS ARE ELECTED AT THE SAME TIME CONCURRENTLY FOR THE SAME LENGTH TERMS. THAT'S ESTABLISHED IN THE CODE HERE, PRIMARILY IN 22 157 THREE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THAT'S ALSO, IT SAYS DEFINED, BUT IS ACTUALLY LISTED IN THE CITY CHARTER LIST.

THAT CITY DOESN'T DICTATE THAT.

THEY SIMPLY DOCUMENT THAT IN THE CITY CHARTER.

AND IN THIS SITUATION, THE BOARD MEMBERS TERMS ARE ALWAYS STAGGERED IF THE GOVERNING BODY'S TERMS ARE STAGGERED.

HOWEVER, AND THE INTERESTING POINT HERE IS THAT I THINK IT'S ABOUT FIVE COUNTIES HAVE BEEN GRANTED EXCEPTION EXEMPTIONS TO THAT BY THE VIRGINIA LEGISLATURE, WHERE THEY HAVE SCHOOL BOARDS AND THE COUNTY BOARDS ARE OPERATING ON DIFFERENT TERMS, LENGTHS OF TERMS AND STAGGERING.

SO THAT'S AN OPTION FOR US TO THINK ABOUT.

SO THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION FOR THAT.

AND IN THE COUNTY CHARTER RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS THAT THEY'RE HELD EVERY THREE YEARS AND THE SCHOOL BOARDS AND THE COUNTY BOARDS ARE SAME CONCURRENTLY.

SO THAT'S SORT OF THE CURRENT SITUATION.

BUT THERE IS A PATH FORWARD POTENTIALLY.

I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF YEARS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. LOOKS LIKE, PLEASE.

THANKS. SO HERE'S HERE'S ONE OF THE KEY EXAMPLES OF AN EXEMPTION OR BATH PULASKI AND ROCKBRIDGE COUNTIES ARE ELECTED, ACCEPTED.

THEY'RE ELECTED TO FOUR YEAR TERMS AND THEY ALTERNATE BIENNIALLY BETWEEN THE THREE MEMBERS AND THE ELECTION OF TWO MEMBERS OF THE SECOND TERMS. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN EXEMPTION THAT PUT IN BY THE STATE FOR BATH, PULASKI AND ROCKBRIDGE COUNTIES TO GIVE THEM ALTERNATE OPTIONS COMPARED TO WHAT THEIR COUNTY BOARDS HAVE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

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THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE IN THIS SITUATION, LOUDOUN WAS SAYS THAT IF THE BOARD VOTES TO DO IT, THEY MAY PROCEED.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A PROACTIVE EXEMPTION.

IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO DO IT, THEN THEN THEY MAY PROCEED.

BUT IT'S NOT SORT OF A DECISION THAT YOU MUST DO IT.

IT'S YOU MAY DO IT IF YOU'D LIKE TO.

SO THIS IS SORT OF A REALLY INTERESTING OPTION AS WELL THAT'S GONE IN.

OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF STAGGERED TERMS. IT ALSO INCLUDES HOW THEY TRANSITION TO THOSE STAGGERED TERMS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THE FINAL EXEMPTION HERE IS FOR PENNSYLVANIA COUNTY.

AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE FOUR TERMS AND THE STAGGERED TERMS BIANNUALLY ON ON THE JUST ON THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AND THE REMAINING DISTRICTS.

SO THREE SOLID EXAMPLES OF SOMETHING WHERE THE STAGGERED TERMS ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS FOR THE COUNTIES.

AND IT'S NOT REALLY THE POINT THAT WE WANT TO DO ANY OF THESE THINGS.

IT'S THE POINT OF IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS, THIS IS THE BASIC MECHANISM THAT YOU WOULD WRITE.

SOMETHING LIKE THIS, REFLECTING WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO.

AND IF IT PASSES, THEN THAT ENCODES THAT.

AND WITH THAT, THAT'S THE END OF MY LITTLE PIECE.

AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MS..

BOOTH. GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I JUST WANT TO SAY JUST A FEW WORDS BEFORE WE DIVE INTO SOME OF THE DATA PIECES.

JUST ONE GRATEFUL THAT THIS BOARD IS WILLING TO TAKE UP THIS CONVERSATION.

THIS HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

IN PARTICULAR, IN THE 20 THE LAST TWO BOARDS AGO, THE BOARD TOOK IT UP AND PASSED A RESOLUTION ASKING THE NEXT BOARD, WHICH WOULD BE MS.. GREENE'S MS..

ALDERTON AND DR. REEVES BOARD, TO LOOK AT STAGGERED TERMS. AND THEY DID PICK IT UP IN 2019.

AND THEN COVID HAPPENED, WHICH WAS A BIG FOCUS OF EVERYBODY'S TIME.

SO I'M GLAD THAT WE ARE PICKING UP THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN, HAVING SERVED ON A BOARD THAT HAD SIGNIFICANT TURNOVER IN 2013 AND 2015 AND THEN AGAIN IN THIS TERM, I CAN ATTEST TO THE CHALLENGES THAT HAPPEN WITH WITH THE LEARNING CURVE, THE HIGH LEVEL OF LEARNING CURVE THAT BOARD MEMBERS HAVE TO GO THROUGH, THE IMPACT IT HAS ON STAFF.

AND IN BOTH OF THOSE CASES, WE ALSO HAD SUPERINTENDENTS RESIGN.

SO WHAT I WANT TO DO RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE SAY IS TO DIVE INTO SOME OF THIS DATA.

NOW, THE PREVIOUS PERSON, OUR POLICY PERSON, PUT THIS SLIDE TOGETHER.

THIS WAS ACTUALLY PART OF A PRESENTATION FROM 2018 AND 2019.

AND YOU CAN SEE WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT.

HIDING SOME OF IT FOR ME.

YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE ONE OF A FEW, AT LEAST WITHIN THIS AREA, THAT HAVE CONCURRENT TERMS, MEANING THAT WE ALL ARE ELECTED AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, WHICH CAN LEAD TO SOME OF THE TURNOVERS.

WE'RE ONLY THREE CITY SCHOOL BOARDS WITHIN VIRGINIA THAT SERVE CONCURRENT TERMS, AND THE BULK OF DISTRICTS ALSO HAVE AT LEAST FOUR YEAR TERMS. SO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF A LONGER ATTACHMENT DOCUMENT THAT WAS UPLOADED INTO SB THAT LOOKED AT OUR FIRST YEAR, WHICH WAS 1994.

THAT WAS OUR FIRST ELECTED SCHOOL BOARD.

PRIOR TO THAT, WE, THE CITY COUNCIL, WOULD APPOINT SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS TO SERVE.

AND THEN IN 1994, WE SWITCHED TO THE CONCURRENT MODEL OF ELECTING NINE MEMBER BODY.

SO IF YOU GO TO THE SUPPORT ATTACHMENT, YOU CAN BREAK IT DOWN IN TERMS OF HOW THE TERMS BREAK IT DOWN, IN TERMS OF THE THE TERMS AND THE TURNOVER.

THE REASON WHY THE FIRST ONE IS -23 DAYS WHERE WE LOOK AT THE MONTHS BETWEEN INAUGURATION.

SO WHEN WE GET INAUGURATED AND THEN WHEN THE SUPERINTENDENT WOULD BE WOULD BE CHANGED WAS BECAUSE THE SUPERINTENDENT IN 1994 CHOSE TO LEAVE. 23 DAYS PRIOR TO THE NEW SCHOOL BOARD, ELECTED SCHOOL BOARD TAKING THEIR POSITION.

AND IN THAT CASE, IN 1994, FOR EXAMPLE, SIX MEMBERS WERE BRAND NEW.

THREE MEMBERS RAN FOR OFFICE WHO HAD SERVED IN THE APPOINTED BOARD AND WON ONE ELECTION.

SO WHAT THIS IS ALSO LOOKING AT IS THE DIFFERENT TERMS OF OFFICE SINCE 1994, ELECTED TERMS OF OFFICE, HOW MANY MEMBERS OF THE NINE MEMBER BODY WERE HAD A TURNOVER.

AND THEN IF THERE WAS A CHANGE IN SUPERINTENDENT DURING THOSE TERMS AND HOW MANY MONTHS IT TOOK BETWEEN THE INAUGURATION OF THE BOARD TO THE SUPERINTENDENCY. NOW PASS THIS OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE AND THANK HER FOR DOING THE DATA ANALYSIS ON THIS PIECE.

SURE. AND THANK YOU, MR. SMITH AND MS.. BOOS, FOR TEEING THIS UP.

IN ORDER TO SAVE YOU FROM DOING SOME MENTAL MATH ON THE TABLE THAT YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, I TRIED TO DO SOME CALCULATIONS HERE TO SEE WHAT, IF ANYTHING, IS GOING ON

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AND SIMILARLY, IN THE 28 YEAR PERIOD SINCE SWITCHING TO AN ELECTED SCHOOL BOARD, ECB'S HAS SEEN SIX SUPERINTENDENTS RESIGNED WITH INTERIMS FILLING IN BETWEEN THEM.

ON AVERAGE, THE SUPERINTENDENTS RESIGNED NINE MONTHS AFTER NEW SCHOOL BOARD TAKES OFFICE.

THIS WAS THAT FAR RIGHT COLUMN THAT YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

AND SINCE 1994, THE FIRST ELECTED BOARD, FOUR OF THE FIVE SUPERINTENDENTS LEFT WHEN THE BOARD TURNOVER WAS FIVE OR MORE MEMBERS.

ON AVERAGE. THE TENURE OF A SUPERINTENDENT SINCE 1994 IS ABOUT FIVE YEARS.

AND PREVIOUS TO THIS, THE AVERAGE WAS CLOSER TO EIGHT.

IT WAS ABOUT 7.75.

THIS IS EXCLUDING THE FIRST SUPERINTENDENT OF ALEXANDRIA CITY SCHOOLS, T.C.

WILLIAMS, WHO HAD A TENURE OF 30 YEARS, WHICH IS SORT OF AN ANOMALY.

SO I LEFT HIM OUT OF THIS ANALYSIS.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE, AND WE WERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE THAT WE'RE NOT I'M NOT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ESTABLISH THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF CORRELATION OR CAUSALITY HERE THAT LIKE A CHANGE IN SCHOOL BOARD EQUALS A CHANGE IN SUPERINTENDENCY.

I THINK ESPECIALLY IN THE PERIOD THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SINCE THE LATE NINETIES, THE EARLY 2000 SAW A TON OF FEDERAL CHANGES TO EDUCATION, REALLY INCREASED STATE LEVEL ACCOUNTABILITY ON PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WHICH REALLY CHANGES THE SUPERINTENDENTS ROLE AND SORT OF THE STRESS OF THAT JOB.

SO I THINK ALL OF THOSE FACTORS COME INTO PLAY AS WELL.

I THINK WHAT I TAKE AWAY FROM THESE DATA ARE THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CHANGE IN THE BOARD AND IN OUR SUPERINTENDENCY, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IN WHAT IT MEANS FOR OUR SCHOOLS AND IF IT'S THE BEST WAY FOR OUR CHILDREN TO LEARN IN ALEXANDRIA.

SO THINKING ON THAT AND SORT OF THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING, YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF STAGGERED AND OR EXTENDED TERMS. THIS CHANGE COULD INSERT ENSURE SORT OF A RETENTION OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AS THE SCHOOL BOARD DOESN'T ALL TURN OVER AT ONCE OR THE MAJORITY DOESN'T TURN OVER, AS WE'VE SEEN IN RECENT ELECTIONS, AND ENSURES THE CONTINUITY OF POLICY WITHOUT FREQUENT CHANGES IN FOCUS.

I THINK PARTICULARLY IN THE EARLY YEARS OF ELECTED SCHOOL BOARDS IN ALEXANDRIA, THOSE FOLKS RAN WITH VERY SPECIFIC AGENDAS AND THAT WAS MUCH MORE COMMON BACK DURING THAT TIME. ALSO, MEMBERS HAVE MORE TIME TO GAIN EXPERIENCE BEFORE RUNNING FOR REELECTION.

THIS IS ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF EXTENDED TERMS. IT ALSO ALLOWS VOTERS TO FOCUS ON LOCAL ISSUES AND SCHOOLS MORE FREQUENTLY WITH THE STAGGERED TERMS. WE COULD, DEPENDING ON WHICH MODEL WE GO WITH, HAVE ELECTIONS EVERY OTHER YEAR OR EVEN EVERY YEAR.

THIS COULD ALSO INCREASE VOTER INTEREST, ALLOWING VOTERS TO FOCUS ON FEWER CANDIDATES EACH ELECTION CYCLE, SINCE THERE WON'T BE NINE FOLKS RUNNING AT ONCE AND ALSO POTENTIALLY COULD ALLOW FOR MEMBERS TO BETTER SERVE THEIR PUBLIC OR CONSTITUENTS IF THEY HAD THESE EXTENDED TERMS. THIS ALSO ALIGNS WITH SOME GOOD GOVERNANCE PRACTICES AROUND EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS.

AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE ALL SORT OF STILL EMBRACING THE NONPARTISAN NATURE OF OUR SCHOOL BOARD, AND WE THINK THAT THE POTENTIAL OF STAGGERED OR EXTENDED TERMS COULD RESULT IN IMPROVED, IMPROVED RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR SUPERINTENDENTS.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WITH ANY CHANGE OF THIS MAGNITUDE, THERE COULD BE POTENTIAL DRAWBACKS, SUCH AS VOTERS WAITING LONGER TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF THE ELECTED BODY'S POLICIES OR PRIORITIES.

JUST THE COUNTERPOINT OF WHAT WE HAD SEEN ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

AND IT MAY BE EASIER FOR ORGANIZED GROUPS TO OPPOSE INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES.

I'M GOING TO PASS IT BACK OVER TO MR. SMITH TO CONTINUE THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. HERE.

ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU SHOULD CHOOSE TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH THIS, REGARDLESS OF THE FORMAT, REALLY TWO MAJOR THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN.

THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO UPDATE THEIR CHARTER TO REFLECT WHATEVER FORMAT YOU SHOULD CHOOSE TO USE IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT.

AND THEN THE STATE WILL NEED TO PUT IN AN EXEMPTION OR ALEXANDRIA CITY SIMILAR TO THE ONES IN THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT WE LISTED PREVIOUSLY TO ENACT THAT.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MAJOR THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE FOR US TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH THIS.

THAT PUTS THAT PUT US ON THAT PATH.

SO THOSE ARE SORT OF OUR OBJECTIVES IF WE CHOOSE TO DO THIS.

THE TWO MAJOR OUTCOMES OF THIS WHOLE THING.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO MS..

BOOZE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OPTIONS.

YEAH, NO, THANK YOU. AND THIS IS WHERE I WILL SHORTLY CALL ON DELEGATE ELIZABETH PARKER, WHO IS HERE WITH US TODAY.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, THIS CONVERSATION STARTED WITH FORMER DELEGATE MARK LEVINE EARLIER THIS FALL.

HE HAD CALLED ME ABOUT A SEPARATE QUESTION, AND I STARTED TALKING TO HIM BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THIS ASSUMPTION THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION AND CHOICE IN TANDEM.

AND WHAT HE WALKED ME THROUGH AND ELIZABETH AND DELEGATE PARKER PARKER HAS WORKED SO HARD BEHIND THE SCENES, MAKING LOTS OF

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AND I SEE THE REGISTRARS AND SHE'S VIEWING RIGHT NOW AND ON ZOOM.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

BUT WHAT WE'VE DISCOVERED IS THERE IS A PATH IF IF THE BOARD COLLECTIVELY CHOOSES TO PURSUE STAGGERED TERMS, WE COULD DO THIS SEPARATELY WITHOUT COUNCIL HAVING TO CHOOSE TO DO STAGGERED TERMS FOR THEMSELVES.

NOW, COUNCIL WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET INVOLVED, AS MR. SMITH HAS JUST MENTIONED.

BUT THERE IS A PATH AND I REALLY WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE DELEGATE BENNETT PARKER FOR HELPING US KIND OF MAP THIS OUT.

SO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND LET ME ALSO ADD WHY NOW IN TERMS OF THE TIMING, I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS THE CHALLENGE OF HAVING A THREE YEAR TERM THAT IF THIS BOARD CHOOSES NOT TO TAKE THIS UP, THEN IT WOULD BE FOR FUTURE BOARDS.

AND THEN YOU'RE STILL IN THIS KIND OF CRUNCH TIME IN TERMS OF HAVING TO MAKE A POLICY CHANGE AT THE SCHOOL BOARD LEVEL, CHARTER CHANGE WITH THE SCHOOL, WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN HAVING THE BILL PASSED WITHIN THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

SO IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CHOOSE TO DO, THE PROCESS WOULD BE IN 2023 KIND OF ESTABLISHED WHAT ARE SOME OF THE DESIRED CHANGES? AND I'LL GIVE SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER, DO SOME STAKEHOLDER LISTENING FEEDBACK AND GET SOME COMMUNITY FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY'S DESIRE FOR US TO MAKE THIS CHANGE AND WHAT'S THE BEST STRUCTURE.

ULTIMATELY, WE WOULD PASS A RESOLUTION AS A BOARD IF WE CHOOSE TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION TO CITY COUNCIL, ASKING COUNCIL TO GO FORWARD WITH A CHARTER CHANGE. COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE CHARTER, CHANGE, ULTIMATELY UPDATE THEIR CITY CHARTER, AND THEN WE WOULD NEED TO COLLABORATE TO DO THE CODE CHANGE WITH THE VIRGINIA DELEGATE ASSEMBLY.

SO IF THIS HAPPENS, THE FIRST ELECTED BOARD, EVERYBODY WOULD STILL BE UP FOR ELECTION IN 2024.

WOULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? THANK YOU. IF THIS IF WE IF WE GET THE CODE CHANGE TO HAPPEN STARTING IN 2024, WE COULD START MOVING INTO POSSIBLE STAGGERED TERM MODELS NOW IN 2024.

ANYBODY EITHER CURRENTLY ON THIS BOARD OR IN THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO RUN FOR OFFICE, EVERYBODY WOULD BE UP AGAIN FOR OFFICE IN 2024.

BUT THEN STARTING IN THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS AFTER 2024, IS WHEN WE COULD HAVE A MODEL OF GETTING INTO WHAT THE STAGGERED TERM TERMS COULD BE.

SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE A THREE YEAR TERM WITH THREE DISTRICTS.

SO WHAT I TRY TO DO IS JUST PUT TOGETHER A BUNCH OF POSSIBLE MODELS THAT WE COULD CONSIDER.

I KNOW DELEGATE BENNETT PARKER HAS HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE REGISTRAR AND I THINK THAT THEY ALSO HAVE SOME THOUGHTS IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE ON THEM.

SO BUT LET ME JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH THESE AND THEN I'LL PASS THIS OVER TO ELIZABETH.

SO IN TERMS OF A THREE YEAR TERM OPTION, SO WE STICK WITH THOSE.

WE STICK WITH HAVING A, B AND C UP AND ESSENTIALLY EVERYBODY IS UP FOR ELECTION IN 2024.

AND THEN THE REGISTRAR WOULD ESSENTIALLY CHOOSE THE THE THE FOLLOWING ORDER.

SO THEY WOULD DRAW A DISTRICT FROM THE HAT.

SO WE WOULD SAY, LET'S SAY B GETS A SHORT STRAW.

AND THEY WOULD BE UP FOR ELECTION IMMEDIATELY THE FOLLOWING YEAR, IN 2025, AFTER THOSE THREE MEMBERS FROM B ARE SELECTED IN 2025, THEY THEN START THAT THREE YEAR TERM. SAME THING WOULD HAPPEN WITH, LET'S SAY A DISTRICT IS SELECTED FOR THE SECOND DISTRICT UP FOR ELECTION.

THEY WOULD START IN 2026 AND THEN THE FINAL DISTRICT 2027.

AND THEN IN 2028 THE CYCLE STARTS AGAIN.

WHAT I ALSO PUT HERE AS A B OPTION, AS THE OPTION B HERE IS LOOKING AT THE THREE YEAR TERMS OF INSTEAD OF DOING IT ELECTION BY DISTRICT.

EVERY YEAR THERE'S AT LEAST ONE PERSON THAT CAN BE ELECTED FOR A, B AND C, AND ONE OF THE STRUCTURES I KNOW THAT DELEGATE PARKER AND PARKER HAS TALKED WITH THE REGISTRAR WAS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD LOOK AT POTENTIALLY STRUCTURING IT.

SO IN 2024, EVERYBODY IS UP FOR OFFICE.

IN 2025, THE PERSON WHO GETS THE LOWEST VOTER COUNT FROM 2024 WOULD BE THE FIRST UP IN 2026.

WHOEVER GOT THE SECOND MOST VOTES WOULD BE UP, AND THEN IN 2027, THE THIRD OR THE MOST VOTES WOULD BE UP.

NEXT SLIDE. SO THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SOME FOUR YEAR STAGGERED TERM OPTIONS AS WELL.

AND AS WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING TO SOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEM OF JUST TURNOVER IN GENERAL.

HAVING A LONGER TERM CAN HELP SOLVE SOME OF THAT TURNOVER PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND BUILD SOME MORE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.

SO HERE ARE SOME COUPLE OPTIONS FOR STAGGERED TURNS TO CONSIDER.

SO 2024. AGAIN, EVERYBODY IS UP FOR OFFICE AGAIN.

2025 WOULD BE A NO ELECTION YEAR.

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THE THIRD, SO A, B OR C.

AND THEN WE START ROTATING AGAIN.

SO WE WOULD THEN HAVE ONE OFF YEAR WHERE THERE'S NO ELECTION.

AND THEN IN 2030, THE ROTATION STARTED AGAIN.

NEXT SLIDE. I PROMISE YOU, WE'RE ALMOST THROUGH THIS.

I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AT-LARGE OPTIONS WITH FOUR YEAR TERMS, SO I TRIED TO MAP OUT WHAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE.

IT GETS A LITTLE CHALLENGING WITH THAT LARGE BASED ON THE SIZE OF OUR BOARD.

SO I LOOKED AT ARE THERE OPTIONS TO REDUCE, REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE BOARDS TO SEVEN MEMBERS AND THEN PERHAPS HAVE TWO MEMBERS PER DISTRICT AND ONE AT LARGE? AND THEN AS YOU'LL SEE ON YOUR SCREEN, WE HAVE THE ROTATION STARTING AGAIN WITH THE REGISTRAR INVOLVED.

AND THE AT-LARGE POSITION AT LARGE POSITIONS WOULD ESSENTIALLY GET THE INITIAL FOUR YEAR TERM AND THEN HAVE TO RUN AGAIN.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND HERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO DO AT LARGE POSITIONS WITH A FOUR YEAR TERM, BUT MAINTAINING AT LARGE POSITIONS, BUT STILL HAVING A NINE MEMBER BOARD.

SO ESSENTIALLY KIND OF THE SAME SAME SIMILAR STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF TIMING.

BUT IN THIS INSTANCE THERE WOULD BE TWO MEMBERS PER A, B AND C, AND THEN THREE AT LARGE POSITIONS THAT WOULD GET THE INITIAL FOUR YEAR TERM AND THEN ROTATE FROM THERE.

I THINK THIS IS THE LAST ONE.

AND THEN THERE'S CERTAINLY CONSIDERING MOVING ALL POSITIONS TO AT LARGE AND REMOVING ALEXANDRIA DISTRICTS AND HAVING DOING A ROTATION BASED ON INITIALLY HAVING EVERYBODY UP IN 2024 AND THEN ESSENTIALLY FOLLOWING LANGDON'S MODEL, WHICH IS WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR FOUR YEAR TERMS AND YOU HAVE FIVE MEMBERS THAT GET RANDOMLY SELECTED BY THE REGISTRAR AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER YOU HAVE FOUR MEMBERS THAT ARE UP FOR ELECTION.

SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO PASS THIS BEFORE WE JUMP INTO QUESTIONS.

I WANTED TO PASS THIS ELIZABETH BENNETT PARKER, FOR COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MS.. BOOS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN YOU TODAY.

FIRST, I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT DOESN'T I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION OR PREFERENCE ON SORT OF PATH FORWARD OR THE MODEL.

IT DOESN'T IMPACT ME.

I'M JUST HERE TO LISTEN TO YOU ALL, TO WORK WITH YOU IN THE COMMUNITY, AND ALSO TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK BOTH ON THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROCESS AS WELL AS MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE REGISTRAR AND SOME THINGS THAT SHE GAVE AS SORT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT AND CONSIDER AS IT RELATES TO HER PERSPECTIVE AND RUNNING ELECTIONS IN ALEXANDRIA.

SO FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SIDE OF THINGS, THIS WOULD BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT WOULD COME THROUGH COUNTY CITIES AND TOWNS COMMITTEE, WHICH I HAPPEN TO SERVE ON. THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS USUALLY PRETTY DEFERENTIAL TO THE DESIRES OF THE GOVERNING BODY, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A VERY SPECIFIED PROCESS WHERE THE COMMUNITY AND GOVERNING BODIES AND SCHOOL BOARD IN THIS CASE HAVE SAID WE WANT THIS.

AND SO THOSE USUALLY PASS.

I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE NOTABLE EXAMPLES FROM THIS YEAR WHERE THEY DID NOT, BUT THEY WERE NOT SCHOOL BOARD RELATED.

THEY HAD SOME DIFFERENT INTERESTING NUANCES TO THEM, I'LL SAY.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THIS YEAR WITH AN AMENDMENT TO THE LOUDOUN COUNTY STAGGERED ELECTIONS.

THE GOVERNOR DID TRY TO AMEND THAT TO FORCE THE ENTIRE LOUDOUN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD TO RUN THIS YEAR.

THAT WAS DEFEATED IN THE VETO IN OUR RECONVENED SESSION.

HOWEVER, OBVIOUSLY, YOU ALL ARE UP IN 2024 ANYWAY, SO WHILE I HOPE THAT WOULD NOT REPEAT ITSELF, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE SIMILAR A SIMILAR RISK THERE.

THE CHARTER, STATE OR CITY CHARTERS DO TRUMP STATE LAW.

SO MOST COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE CHARTERS.

ONLY ABOUT THREE DO. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE LOUDOUN AND THESE OTHER COUNTIES COMING FORWARD WITH THAT AMENDMENT TO STATE LAW.

BUT IF YOU DID THE CHARTER CHANGE, THAT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY COUNT AND TRUMP THE LAW.

SO YOU WOULDN'T ALSO NEED AN EXCEPTION AS IT RELATES TO MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE REGISTRAR.

SO THE FIRST THING WOULD BE SORT OF POTENTIAL CANDIDATE EDUCATION AND THE CANDIDATE FILING PERIOD.

SO BASED ON PAST PRESIDENT IN 2024, CANDIDATES WOULD LIKELY BE ABLE TO FILE BEGINNING IN MID-JANUARY, AND THAT WOULD CLOSE AND PROBABLY SOMETIME IN MID-JUNE.

AND OBVIOUSLY, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS LEGISLATION WOULD TAKE EFFECT JULY 1ST.

SO THAT WOULD BE AFTER THE FILING PERIOD HAD CLOSED.

WE COULD ATTEMPT TO PUT AN EMERGENCY CLAUSE ON THE LEGISLATION, BUT THAT WOULD ONLY SPEED IT UP UNTIL WHENEVER IT GOT THROUGH AND THE GOVERNOR SIGNED IT STILL AFTER THE FILING PERIOD HAD OPENED. THAT ALSO TAKES, I THINK, ABOUT 80 VOTES IN EACH CHAMBER.

SO IF LEGISLATION IF WE WERE TO INTRODUCE LEGISLATION THAT COULD AFFECT THE LENGTH OF TERMS OF CANDIDATES RUNNING THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE COULD PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION WITH

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NO ONE'S REQUIRED TO GO INTO THE OFFICE, BUT MOST FIRST TIME CANDIDATES DO.

I ASSUME THAT INFORMATION COULD ALSO BE PUT ON THE WEBSITE THAT THIS IS SORT OF UP FOR CONSIDERATION AND THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

ONE OTHER THING ABOUT THAT IS THERE'S A MODEL THAT COMBINES SORT OF AT LARGE WITH DISTRICT SPECIFIC POSITIONS.

CANDIDATES WOULD HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH POSITION THEY WERE RUNNING FOR, WHETHER THEY'RE RUNNING FOR A DISTRICT POSITION OR AN AT LARGE POSITION.

AND SO AND THAT WOULD BE BEFORE IMPLEMENTATION.

SO THAT WOULD RAISE SORT OF THE QUESTION ON HOW THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE WOULD IMPLEMENT THOSE CHANGES THAT HAVEN'T LEGALLY BEEN PASSED.

SO THEY CAN EDUCATE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S COMPLIANT WITH THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.

ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS THE BALLOT LENGTH IN 2024.

SO THERE WILL BE A GENERAL ELECTION FOR US PRESIDENT, US SENATE, US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND SCHOOL BOARD.

IN THE LAST COMPARABLE ELECTION IN 2012, THE BALLOT WAS A TWO SIDED LEGAL SIZE BALLOT.

AND ANY CHANGES TO THE BALLOT THAT INCREASE THE LENGTH, SUCH AS ADDING A SEPARATE AT-LARGE CONTEST, INCREASES THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE CONTEST MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY FIT ON A LEGAL BALLOT SIZE.

SO AND SHE ALSO ADDED THAT ANY INCREASE THE LENGTH OF THE BALLOT CAN INCREASE VOTER CONFUSION AND AS WELL AS TIME THEY SPEND IN THE BOOTH AND THUS LINES CAN INCREASE AND INCREASING THE BALLOT TO EIGHT AND A HALF BY 17 ALSO INCREASES THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRINTING AND MAILING OF BALLOTS.

AND A THIRD THING IS VOTER EDUCATION.

OBVIOUSLY, WITH ANY CHANGE AND TO REDUCE VOTER CONFUSION AND ENSURE THAT VOTERS ARE FAMILIAR, SOME VOTER EDUCATION MAY BE NECESSARY IF A SINGLE DISTRICT WAS UP FOR ELECTION EVERY YEAR AS OPPOSED TO ONE SEAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY LEAD TO VOTER AND CANDIDATE CONFUSION.

AS A REGISTRAR SAYING THAT MANY INDIVIDUALS DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT DISTRICTS THEY RESIDE IN.

AND SO YOU COULD SEE SIGNS IN ONE PART OF TOWN THAT IS NOT RIGHT NEAR WHERE YOU LIVE AND NOT REALLY BE CLEAR ON THAT.

AND THEN THE LAST THING AND I THINK THIS IS VERY MINOR COMPARED TO THE OTHER THINGS, I THINK IF A RANDOM SELECTION OPTION WAS CHOSEN.

IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO PARALLEL THE PATH FOR THE HOW A BALLOT ORDER IS DRAWN, WHICH IS ACTUALLY LEAVING THAT RANDOM SELECTION UP TO THE ELECTORAL BOARD.

SO THAT'S, I THINK, ALL OF THE FEEDBACK I HAVE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, EXTENT OF MY ABILITY AND EXCITED FOR THE CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU AGAIN. ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT SAID, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS.

DR. REEF, JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, EVERYONE WHO WORKED ON THAT.

YOU MENTIONED THAT IF YOU HAD A LOT TO SAY, WHICH WAS WONDERFUL, IT WAS A LITTLE FAST FOR ME.

SO. SOMETHING ABOUT THE CITY CHARTER TRUMPS THE CODE.

CAN YOU TALK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, PLEASE? SO THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT WHAT OUR CITY CHARTER SET.

SO BASICALLY THAT WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE THIS, IT WOULD STILL GO TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, BUT IT WOULD BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT WOULD GO THROUGH AND TO THE COMMITTEE AND THEN TO THE THROUGH THE NORMAL BILL PROCESS.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WOULD ALSO NEED TO CHANGE THAT SECTION OF STATE CODE AND CARVE OUT AN EXEMPTION FOR ALEXANDRIA.

YOU WOULD JUST NEED THE CHARTER CHANGE, BUT IT STILL INVOLVES GOING TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND IT STILL INVOLVES THE CHARTER CHANGE PROCESS LOCALLY WITH COUNCIL.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE SCREEN. SO.

AND ALSO, THANK YOU, EVERYONE WHO WORKED ON THIS.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING, SO I'M GLAD WE'VE TAKEN THIS UP AS A BOARD.

AND THANK YOU. I'M DELEGATE NICK PARKER.

AND JUST JUST A CLARIFICATION.

THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE COULD DO THIS IN THE NEXT CYCLE.

THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD GET IT THROUGH THAT FAST TO DO IT IN 2024.

DO YOU MEAN TO DO IT IN 2023? UM, I BELIEVE COUNCIL HAS A PUBLIC HEARING THIS SATURDAY.

IF WE COULD TURN IT AROUND. THAT FAX.

RIGHT. NOT FASTER.

GET THEM TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS BEFORE, IDEALLY BEFORE JANUARY 11TH, WHEN WE.

YOU KNOW, ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE.

YEAH. I WANT TO SAY THAT DELEGATE BARKER AND I HAD HAD THIS CONVERSATION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TIMING AND COULD WE GET THIS DONE IN 2023.

AND YES, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT I KNOW THAT THIS BOARD VALUES AND THINKS IS IMPORTANT.

BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE IS A PATH TO STILL GETTING THERE IN TIME FOR THE ELECTION OF 2024.

YES, IT WOULD BE CLEANER TO HAVE THE THE CHARTER CHANGE AND THE CHANGE WITHIN RICHMOND HAPPEN IN 2023.

BUT THAT'S STILL AGAIN, THAT'S A CHALLENGE OF THREE YEAR TERMS. I MEAN, FRANKLY, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE STARTED TAKING THIS UP AS A BOARD IN JANUARY OF FEBRUARY WHEN WE ALL JUST GOT ELECTED.

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AND THAT'S WHY THIS THAT'S WHY THIS IS SUCH A CHALLENGING CONVERSATION AND IT'S WHY THIS HAS BEEN PUNTED TO SO MANY BOARDS EVERY EVERY CYCLE.

ALL RIGHT. OK AND MR. NEWBY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SO I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THERE.

I THINK I AGREE WITH MS..

BUSH TO BEGIN WITH. I THINK WE REALLY SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK THROUGH THIS, THINK ABOUT IT, AND HAVE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

AND BECAUSE LOOKS ALSO THERE ARE SEVERAL MODELS IN THERE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND DECIDE WHICH ONE WE WANT TO GO WITH.

SO CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE OUR TIME DOING.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION, AND I THINK DR.

SIMPSON TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, BUT CERTAINLY WORTH PUTTING A FINE POINT ON BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO INFER, HAVE THE PUBLIC THINK THAT WE'RE SAYING IF WE DO THIS, THIS WILL REDUCE SUPERINTENDENT TURNOVER OR AFFECT SUPERINTENDENT TURNOVER.

IT MAY OR MAY NOT, BUT THE DATA DOESN'T SHOW THAT IN MY OPINION.

WE CAN'T INFER THAT FROM THE DATA.

AND THERE ARE PROBABLY OTHER FACTORS AT PLAY THERE WHEN IT COMES TO SUPERINTENDENT TURNOVER.

BUT IT'S PROBABLY WORTH SAYING ALSO THAT ACCORDING TO THE SUPER SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT ASSOCIATION, WE'RE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION INSIDE THAT I LOOKED IT UP.

THE MEAN TENURE FOR A SUPERINTENDENT IS 5 TO 6 YEARS.

OURS IS FIVE.

SO WE'RE NOT AN OUTLIER.

WE'RE NOT DOING WORSE THAN THAN NATIONALLY, YOU KNOW.

SO TO PUT THAT IN CONTEXT, ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY SIDE, THE CITY MANAGER, SINCE THE YEAR 2000, THEIR AVERAGE HAS BEEN FIVE, FIVE AND A QUARTER YEARS. SO IT'S PROBABLY.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED.

ONE OF THEM IS WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE TURNOVER OF OR TURNOVER OF MAJORITY OF THE BOARD IN ONE YEAR, WHICH I THINK IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WORTH THINKING ABOUT HAVING LESS TURNOVER OF THE BOARD BECAUSE OF THE REASONS STATED EARLIER.

SOME OF THOSE MODELS.

TO ME, I DON'T I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT THE MODELS OR WHICH MODELS WE WANT TO GO WITH.

BUT SOME OF THOSE MODELS OFF THE BAT, I DON'T SEE MYSELF SUPPORTING BECAUSE OF I'M ALWAYS FOR PROMOTING MORE ACCOUNTABILITY, MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND MORE REPRESENTATION.

AND IF IT'S LIKE RATHER REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE BOARD OR HAVING ONE BOARD MEMBER UP EVERY YEAR FROM EVERY DISTRICT, I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE MODELS I PERSONALLY CAN SUPPORT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THOSE PROMOTE ACCOUNTABILITY BECAUSE IT JUST MAKES IT HARDER FOR NEW PEOPLE TO RUN.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING AGAINST ONE INCUMBENT AND TRYING TO KNOCK OFF THAT INCUMBENT, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGING INCUMBENT, IT'S HARDER THAN ONE PERSON RUNNING FOR THREE SEATS OR FOUR PEOPLE RUNNING FOR THREE SEATS, FIVE, THREE, FOUR FOR THREE SEATS.

SO THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT STAND OUT TO ME RIGHT AWAY THAT PROBABLY WORTH MORE CONVERSATIONS.

SO. YEAH, THAT'S.

THAT'S WHAT I GOT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DR. REEF? YES.

WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING AND I DO AGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT MR. EL NABI SAID. LIKE, YOU KNOW, SUPERINTENDENT TURNOVER IS IS UNFORTUNATELY HIGH NATIONALLY.

AND, YOU KNOW, BUT I BUT I DO THINK THAT IT COULD PROVIDE SOME MORE CONTINUITY AND STABILITY FOR THE SCHOOL DIVISION TO HAVE YOUR TERMS. I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING POINT THAT IF WE JUST DO ONE DISTRICT EACH YEAR, IT IS PROBABLY TRUE THAT PEOPLE FROM ALL DISTRICTS WILL SHOW UP THINKING THAT THEY CAN VOTE FOR SCHOOL BOARD THIS YEAR, BECAUSE IT IS TRUE THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT DISTRICT PARENTS IS.

IT'S ONLY THE DISTRICTS MAINLY ARE FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD ELECTION.

SO I GUESS I JUST WANT TO ASK, SINCE WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THIS, MAKE THIS CHANGE TO THE CHARTER IN 2023, WHAT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON OR ANYBODY'S THOUGHTS ON THE TIMELINE FOR WHEN YOU WOULD SEE THAT HAPPENING AND HOW WE WOULD ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IN THE PROCESS? JUST JUST THINKING ABOUT THE CALENDAR AND WHAT WE SORT OF HAVE LAID OUT FOR THE YEAR AND HOW WOULD WE WORK TO REACH A CONSENSUS ABOUT WHAT WHAT WE WOULD EVEN BE RECOMMENDING FOR THE CHANGE? THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION.

SURE. I'LL HOP IN AND THEN ANY OF YOU ALL CAN CHIME IN.

BUT I'VE TALKED TO DELEGATE BENNETT PARKER ABOUT SORT OF TIMELINE, TALKED A LITTLE BIT WITH MR. SMITH ABOUT IT. I THINK THE KEY THING.

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WE PROBABLY WANT TO GET TO A POINT OF HAVING SORT OF A RESOLUTION IN PLACE.

AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE PEOPLE MOVING TOO FAST.

BUT MY THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, HAVING A RESOLUTION IN PLACE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR TO ALLOW FOR NOT NOT NOT THAT I'M TALKING TO THE SCHOOL YEAR. YES. NOT NOT THE NOT 2022, BUT BY THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALSO WANT TO GIVE COUNCIL ENOUGH TIME TO TO HAVE AMPLE DISCUSSION AND INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THEIR SIDE.

SO I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD IN DURING AGENDA SETTING.

WE REALLY NEED TO BUILD IN WORK SESSION TIME.

WE NEED TO BUILD IN PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.

I THINK WE PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT SPECIFICALLY ON THIS ISSUE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT PROCESS, I THINK WE CAN SORT OF RESOLVE WHAT OUR RESOLUTION SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A WAY AND MAYBE WE COULD FIGURE OUT THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC WHAT SOME OF THESE OPTIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY THEY'RE COMMENTING ON SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC AND NOT JUST THE IDEA IN GENERAL.

I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO DO THAT.

SO BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY TRY TO RESOLVE AS A BOARD BY THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR SO THAT WE GIVE COUNCIL TIME IN THE FALL TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS.

IT. DID YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OTHER THAN THAT OR.

OH, I'M SORRY, MISS BOOS.

AND THEN I SEE MISS IGNACIO AS WELL.

YEAH. NO, I THINK YOU'RE I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BACKTRACK IN TERMS OF WHEN DELEGATE AND PARKER WOULD BE FILING THE BILL LEGISLATION FOR THE CHARTER CHANGE OR HOWEVER YOU HOWEVER YOU PHRASED IT EARLIER AND GO FROM THERE.

BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE THAT.

THE GOAL TONIGHT IS TO SAY, DOES THIS BOARD WANT TO PURSUE THIS CONVERSATION? THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE BIGGER DECISION POINT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO NARROW DOWN AND SAY THIS IS THE RIGHT MODEL THAT WE NEED TO DO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT COMES LATER.

BUT I DO AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD.

ONCE WE START ENGAGING THE PUBLIC MORE.

THAT WE KIND OF NARROWED DOWN THE DIRECTION AND THE OPTIONS.

MS.. IGNACIO.

THANK YOU. I REALLY JUST WANTED TO NUMBER ONE, THANK YOU, ASHLEY AND KELLY, FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND MEGAN FOR KIND OF SPEARHEADING IT AS WELL, BECAUSE THE IMPACT THAT.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY THAT WHEN I STARTED LOOKING BACK IN THE YEARS, I REALIZED THAT I HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE FOREVER AND A DAY.

SO I CLEARLY HAVE BEEN THERE TOO LONG.

AND SO THE IMPACT THAT THE BOARD TURNOVER HAS ON STAFF IS EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT, PARTICULARLY NOT SO MUCH WHEN IT'S STAFF AT THE SCHOOL LEVEL, BUT STAFF AT THE CENTRAL OFFICE LEVEL.

IT CAN BE VERY CHALLENGING WHEN YOU HAVE A GROUP OF SIX, FIVE, SIX BOARD MEMBERS COMING IN, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS.

THE ELECTION IS VERY STRESSFUL FOR YOU.

SO IT REALLY STARTS FOR STAFF WHEN PEOPLE PUT THEIR NAME IN THE HAT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO TAKE OFF MY SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER HAT AND PUT ON MY STAFF HAT.

FROM THE TIME WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED THEY'RE GOING TO RUN UNTIL THAT DAY OF ELECTION AND THEN THE BOARD TRANSITIONING IS A LOT OF TIME THAT CAN BE VERY STRESSFUL FOR STAFF.

SO I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT IF WE CAN STAGGER THESE, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IN THE LONG RUN FOR STAFF RATHER THAN HAVING THE TURNOVER AT THE LEVEL THAT WE'VE SEEN MOST RECENTLY.

I KNOW WE WERE ASKED BY CHAIR ALDERTON TO TALK TO OUR COUNCIL REPS AND I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS DONE THAT.

AND KELLY, THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME WITH MINE BECAUSE AS I'M TALKING ABOUT IT, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THAT THEY TOO WOULD HAVE TO JUMP ON THAT BANDWAGON AND EXPLAINING TO THEM THAT THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE.

KIND OF EASED INTO THAT CONVERSATION AND AND MADE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

BUT I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

AND DR. KAY WHITE, YOU MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT LENS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT CAN BE VERY STRESSFUL.

THE THE BOARD TRANSITION ON PARTICULARLY CENTRAL OFFICE STAFF AND THE CONSTANT TURNOVER.

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AND WHEN YOU HAVE A TURNOVER OF THE BOARD, YOU HAVE A TURNOVER OF SOME STAFF AND A TURNOVER OF LEADERSHIP.

IT CAUSES A LOT OF STRESS AND ANXIETY ON STAFF AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT IMPACTS KIDS.

SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

OKAY. AND DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD I SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE A MOMENT TO JUST THIS IS A THUMBS UP MOMENT FOR ME.

YOU HEAR THAT, MR. TURNER? WHERE'S MR. TURNER? I'M GETTING MY OWN THUMBS UP MOMENT, BUT I WOULD LIKE A THUMBS UP JUST TO HEAR OR TO SEE BOARD MEMBERS WHO'S INTERESTED IN MOVING THIS FORWARD.

SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN MOVING THIS FORWARD, THUMBS UP.

YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE.

JUST CURIOUS. WE HAVEN'T ANY MORE CONVERSATION ON THIS.

OH, YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THIS THIS IS LITERALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, ARE WE ARE WE INTERESTED IN ACTUALLY MAKING SOME MOVES? YES OR NO? I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS. NO.

I WAS HESITANT ON THAT THUMB.

ACTUALLY, MR. BAILEY, YOU MISSED THAT. YOU HAVE TO RUN FOR OFFICE NEXT YEAR.

YOU MISSED THAT DECISION. SO LOOKS LIKE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

SO I THINK WE'LL DEFINITELY PUT THE WORK INTO THE AGENDA FOR THIS.

AND I JUST AGAIN, WANT TO THANK MS..

BOOS. I WANT TO THANK DR.

SIMPSON BAIRD, MR. SMITH, DELEGATE PARKER.

I THINK THIS WAS THE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE WANT THINGS TO HAPPEN, BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TO PUT THE LEGWORK TO TO FIGURE OUT THE WAY FORWARD.

AND THIS TEAM DID THAT VERY WELL.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES. YES, MR. BAILEY. DR.

REID SAID, KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

IS THAT YOU OR IS IT? SO DO WE KNOW WHY THEY KEEP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD? I MEAN, I CAN SPEAK FROM THE THE 2018 MEETINGS, WHICH WAS TWO BOARDS AGO AND THEN 2019 THERE WAS A PRESENTATION LOOKING AT A MEMO FROM THE EARLY LIKE EARLY 1990S OR ACTUALLY END OF 1990S ABOUT HOW TO STAGGER TERMS. AND AT THAT POINT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED SHARED THAT COUNCIL AND SCHOOL BOARD WOULD HAVE TO DO THIS DECISION AND CHANGE IN TANDEM.

SO THE CONVERSATIONS WOULD HAPPEN.

IN 2018, THERE WAS A RESOLUTION THAT THE PREVIOUS SCHOOL BOARD TO SCHOOL BOARDS WOULD GO PAST ASKING THE LAST SCHOOL BOARD TO CONSIDER TAKING UP STAGGERED TERMS. AND THEY DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IN 2019, BUT THEN COVID.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE THE CONVERSATION IN PRIORITY.

I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT WHEN I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD PREVIOUSLY.

I KNOW PREVIOUS SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT I SEE MR. EATON, A FORMER SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER IN THE AUDIENCE, WHO I KNOW IS HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE IN PERSON.

SO THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THOSE THINGS, BUT IT'S JUST SUCH A CHALLENGE WITH A THREE YEAR TERM BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF OFFICE, THEN YOU'RE WAITING ON THE NEXT SCHOOL BOARD TO THEN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE THINK ABOUT ALL OF OUR BOARD PRIORITIES AND INITIATIVES AND THE CHALLENGES THAT I'M JUST GOING TO SPEAK FOR MY OWN OPINION RIGHT NOW.

BUT THE CHALLENGES THAT I THINK WE HAVE, WHEN YOU HAVE SO MUCH TURNOVER OF KEEPING CONSISTENCY AND KEEPING THOSE PRIORITIES FRONT AND CENTER, BECAUSE THE PRIORITIES OF THIS BOARD MAY NOT BE THE SAME PRIORITIES OF THE BOARD IF YOU HAVE A HUGE TURNOVER COMING.

AND THAT REALLY CAN IMPACT STUDENTS AND IT CAN CERTAINLY AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH QUITE A FEW SUPERINTENDENT AND STAFF CHANGES IN YOUR TIME WITH ALEXANDRIA, BUT IT CAN ABSOLUTELY IMPACT STAFF AND IMPACT STUDENTS.

AND THEN THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF STAND AND WHY I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST MODEL IS MOVING FORWARD.

CAN I SORT OF TACK ON TO THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY A REALLY ESSENTIAL POINT HERE.

RIGHT. WE HEARD ABOUT THIS BOARD.

WELL, SCHOOL SYSTEM IS CONTINUOUS.

IT CONTINUES TO GO EVEN AT THE BOARD'S TURNOVER.

IF YOU WANT TO WRITE CHANGE, AS YOU SAID, IF YOU CAN'T DO IT IN THREE YEARS, YOU'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT HAND OFFS.

AND HOW CAN THE WORK CONTINUE DESPITE THE FACT THAT INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS TURN OVER?

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THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

THE QUESTION IS HOW DO GOVERNANCE PERMIT THE ORGANIZATION TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD IN EVEN THOUGH THOSE EVENTS HAPPEN? RIGHT. SO HOW CAN WE NOT HAVE THE CHANGES GO HIGH AND LOW AND UP AND DOWN AND WANT A MUCH MORE INDEPENDENT? SORRY ABOUT THAT. RIGHT.

PERFECT TIMING. WE'RE GOING TO WATCH MORE CONSISTENT PROCESS.

RIGHT. SO THAT THE IMPACT OF INDIVIDUAL TURNOVER HAS LESS IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AS A WHOLE.

THAT'S WHAT WE CAN TRY TO DO IS MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF THE NORMAL TURNOVER OF OF ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WORKING TO ACHIEVE ITS MISSION. AND THAT'S GOOD GOVERNANCE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S GOOD POLICY.

AND SO THAT'S HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT CONCEPT.

HOW CAN WE CHANGE THE POLICY TO ENSURE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD AND ACCOMPLISH ITS MISSION AND HAVE A GREAT EDUCATION FOR THE KIDS OF.

ALEXANDER RIGHT.

AND THAT DRIVES WHAT THE DECISION LOOKS LIKE.

WHAT'S THE BEST MODEL TO HELP THE SCHOOL SYSTEM MOVE FORWARD? UM, I WOULD ALSO ADD JUST IN TERMS OF THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED IN OUR.

RETREAT ABOUT CAPACITY BUILDING AND.

I THINK THE WAY THAT THIS WAS DONE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO PUT SORT OF SOMETHING OUT THERE AND ANOTHER THING TO ACTUALLY CARRY THE MANTLE.

AND SO I JUST YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A PART OF IT, TOO.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE.

BUT SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE THINGS GOING ON.

THIS IS IMPORTANT.

I'M GOING TO CARRY THE MANTLE SO THAT EVERYBODY ELSE CAN CARRY WHATEVER ELSE NEEDS TO BE CARRIED, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS A TON THAT NEEDS TO BE CARRIED.

SO I THINK THAT PART IS HELPFUL TO.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, GUYS.

SO WE GOT SOME GENDER WORK TO DO AND MOVE.

KEEP EVERYONE IN THE LOOP.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

[2. FY 2024-2033 CIP Add/Delete Work Session #2]

HE HANDED IT OVER TO DR.

MELANIE. QUIET.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I THINK OUR STAFF WILL BE TRANSITIONING TO BE FRONT AND CENTER HERE AS WE CAN REVIEW THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR LAST WORK SESSION, WHICH SEEMS LIKE SO LONG AGO, BUT REALLY WAS JUST A FEW DAYS AGO.

WE WILL GIVE THEM JUST A MOMENT TO TAKE A.

ALL RIGHT. OF COURSE, WE HAVE DR.

HART AND HER AMAZING TEAM WITH US THIS AFTERNOON.

SO WE ALSO HAVE MR. TURNER, WHO IS VIRTUAL, AND WE ALSO HAVE SUPPORT FROM HIS OFFICE.

I THOUGHT I SAW ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER HERE.

SO. MR.. NO.

MR. OK? YES. SO I WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE HIM, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S HERE AT THIS TIME.

BUT WE DO HAVE MR. TURNER, WHO IS ALSO AVAILABLE.

SO AT THIS TIME I WOULD TURN IT OVER TO DR.

HART AND MR. TURNER TO REVIEW THE ADD DELETE SESSIONS.

THEY DO HAVE SOME UPDATES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH REGARDS TO FEEDBACK AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE BOARD, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT PART.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEGIN OR MR. TURNER. UM, I WILL DEFER TO MR. TURNER IF HE HAS SOME WORDS TO START, AND THEN I'LL JUMP IN.

OKAY. MR. TURNER, WOULD YOU LIKE.

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH? OR WE CAN JUMP RIGHT INTO EACH ITEM.

WE CAN GO AHEAD AND JUMP RIGHT IN.

ONE OF THE SUPERINTENDENTS ADJUSTED ITEMS. SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH I THINK EVERYONE HAS THEIR DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF THEM, ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS MR1, WHICH IS THE CHANGE TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL RENOVATION.

I'M SORRY. SURE.

NO, IT'S OKAY. WE CAN GO.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

IT'S OKAY. I HAVE HAD A LONG WEEK, AND WE ARE READY FOR IT.

AND I'M SORRY.

WE'RE GOING TO GO AND GET STARTED.

WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO BREAK.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE STUFF ALL WEEK, AND WE COULD PROBABLY SPEAK FOR EACH OTHER.

WE THOUGHT WE'D START WITH SOME OVERALL COMMENTS, SINCE THERE'S NOT MANY HERE.

AND THEN, MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN GO ONE BY ONE, AND THEN WE HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE TOTAL IMPACT BASED OFF OF THE FEEDBACK.

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OKAY, SO GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS.

FIRST, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE THAT I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE LAST WORK SESSION, BUT I KNOW THE TEAM DID A GREAT JOB AND DEFINITELY FILLED ME IN ON THE ADD DELETES THAT WERE VOTED ON. AND THERE WERE THREE IN PARTICULAR THAT I REALLY JUST WANTED TO START OFF WITH SOME QUICK STAFF NOTES AS WE GET INTO THE ITEM BY ITEM DISCUSSION.

THE FIRST I WANTED TO START WITH IS IN REGARDS TO THE RELOCATE TABLES.

SO WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN ADD DELETE REQUEST FOR 130,000 IN FY 24 AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL 90,000 IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO SUPPORT RELOCATE TABLES FOR CAPACITY NEEDS. THIS ANNUAL AMOUNT WILL LIKELY NOT COVER THE PURCHASE OF ONE RELOCATED CLASSROOM.

ADDITIONALLY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO NOTE THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE AN INSTANTANEOUS FIX TO CAPACITY CHALLENGES.

UPON OUR TEAM FINDING OUT THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR THE SUPPORT, WE WOULD HAVE TO ORDER AND AWAIT DELIVERY OF THE ACTUAL RELOCATE ABLE BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANYWHERE TO PURCHASE AND STORE THESE.

IN THE MEANTIME, THERE WOULD ALSO BE THE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE HUMAN RESOURCE CAPACITY.

SO WE PURCHASE THE RELOCATE ABLE.

BUT DO WE ALSO HAVE THE TEACHING STAFF TO THEN TEACH CLASS OUT OF THAT RELOCATE ABLE? SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.

ALSO, IT DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR RELOCATE, ABLE DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR ANY ADDITIONAL CAPACITY NEEDS SUCH AS TRANSITIONS IN HALLWAYS.

YOU KNOW, SORRY, LOSING MY NOTES, CAFETERIA, ETC.

AND MAY ONLY EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM AS IT RELATES TO INCREASED TRANSITION TIME.

LASTLY, THERE WILL LIKELY BE A QUESTION OF INSTRUCTIONAL EQUITY THAT COMES UP IN TERMS OF IS IT BETTER TO TEACH IN A TRADITIONAL CLASSROOM VERSUS A RELOCATED CLASSROOM IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE? AND WE JUST NEED TO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING THAT IF WE CONTINUE TO USE RELOCATE TABLES AS A FUTURE SOLUTION FOR CAPACITY CHALLENGES.

THE NEXT ITEM REALLY QUICKLY IS THE CO TWO MONITOR DISCUSSION.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A REQUEST THAT WAS VOTED ON IN REGARDS TO ADDING MONITORS TO EACH CLASSROOM, MAIN OFFICES AND NURSE'S OFFICES TO TAKE MEASUREMENTS THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND TO ALSO CREATE A PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SITE TO BE ABLE TO VIEW THOSE MEASUREMENTS AS SHARED BY THE TEAM IN THE LAST WORK SESSION.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE CO TWO MONITORS AS PART OF OUR BUILDING AUTOMATION SYSTEMS. THEY DO MONITOR AND MEASURE AND ALSO ALERT OUR TEAM WHEN WE HAVE ELEVATED LEVELS OF CO TWO IN THE IN THE BUILDING.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE THAT PURCHASING ADDITIONAL MONITORS REALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF A COMMUNICATION TOOL, PUBLIC COMMUNICATION TOOL MAY BE REDUNDANT AND DOES NOT INCREASE THE SAFETY AS IT ACTUALLY RELATES TO THE IQ IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT WILL COMMUNICATE IF THERE IS ELEVATED LEVELS, BUT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY INITIATE ANY RESPONSE TO THE ELEVATED LEVELS OF CO TWO.

THE TEAM DOES BELIEVE THAT FUNDING SUPPORT TO ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE AND REPAIR ANY ACTUAL CAUSES OF ELEVATED CO TWO WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD OR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.

AND THEN LASTLY, IN REGARDS TO, I BELIEVE, THE COMMUNITY PLAYGROUND REQUEST FOR 1703, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY TO PUT A COMMUNITY PLAYGROUND IN THE COMMON COURTYARD BETWEEN BERNADETTE'S ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN 1703 NORTH BEAUREGARD.

THE TEAM AND I DEFINITELY FULLY UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE REQUEST.

WE JUST THINK IT MAY BE PREMATURE TO DO SO AT THIS TIME, PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT THE FINAL SITE PLAN WILL BE FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.

SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY PRE DETERMINING THE USE OF THE COURTYARD SPACE FOR COMMUNITY PLAYGROUND NEED, AND IT MAY NOT SUPPORT THE OVERALL INSTRUCTIONAL DESIGN WHEN THE FINAL DECISION IS MADE.

ESSENTIALLY, WE ARE A LITTLE CAUTIOUS TO BE TO SPEND GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD, ESPECIALLY IF A FINAL INSTRUCTIONAL DESIGN DOES NOT REALLY SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY PLAYGROUND IF WE'VE ALREADY BUILT IT, OR IF WE ALREADY SPENT MONEY ON DESIGN FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, THAT'S MONEY THAT WE CAN NO LONGER RECOUP.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE NOTES TO JUST SHARE THAT THE TEAM AND I ARE NOT BY ANY MEANS UNDERMINING THE VOTE OF THE BOARD.

WE DEFINITELY RESPECT THE VOTES OF THE BOARD.

WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD HAS FULL CONTEXT OF THE DECISIONS OR IMPACTS THAT CONSIDERATIONS THAT WOULD BE MADE AROUND THOSE THREE PARTICULAR ADD DELETE REQUESTS AS WELL. AND THE INTERIM SUPERINTENDENT HAS PROPOSED ADJUSTMENTS WHICH ARE GENERATED AGAIN INTO WHICH STAFF FEEL DO RESPOND TO THE SCHOOL BOARD REQUEST AND VOTE, AND ALSO THE STAFF EXPERTISE IN THESE IN THESE ITEMS. SO I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE SOME TIME TO TO COVER THOSE FEW THINGS AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO.

LIKE TO GO LINE BY LINE IF.

GOOD EVENING, BOARD. THANK YOU, DR.

HART. SO IN IN YOUR MEMO, WHICH I KNOW WAS POSTED TODAY, SO I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE GOT A CHANCE TO SEE IT, BUT WE WENT THROUGH AND JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THE ACTUAL DISCUSSION WE HAD LAST WEEK REGARDING YOUR AD DELETES.

SO I WON'T GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF YOUR AD DELETES AS THEY'RE PRESENTED.

BUT JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE THE IMPACTS OF THE WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD DECISION WAS BASED ON THOSE AD DELETES LAST LAST WEEK.

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I BELIEVE WE SPOKE ABOUT EMERGENCY REPAIR AND OR FURNITURE FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT FOR RELOCATED CLASSROOM CONTINGENCY FUND.

SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE THE THE THE DISCUSSION DECISIONS THE SCHOOL BOARD HAD LAST WEEK FOR THE INTERIM SUPERINTENDENTS PROPOSED ADJUSTMENTS, THERE ARE FOUR ADJUSTMENTS AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT PRIORITIZATION OF THOSE PROJECT PLANNING DOLLARS, WHICH WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT LAST WEEK.

SO AS FAR AS PROCESS GOES, AND I'M SURE MY BUDDY MR. TURNER WILL JUMP IN, IF I'M INCORRECT, WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE.

I'LL I'LL TALK THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM NOW AND THEN.

EACH ONE OF THEM WOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE VOTE IF YOU'RE GOING TO ACCEPT THAT ONE OR NOT.

AND ULTIMATELY, THESE FOUR SUPERINTENDENTS PROPOSAL ADJUSTMENTS ARE ARE INTENDED TO REPLACE YOUR DECISIONS ON THE AD DELETE.

SO ONCE WE VOTE THROUGH THESE, IF YOU ACCEPT THEM, THEN IT WILL REPLACE WHICHEVER AD DELETE CORRESPONDED THAT YOU ALL VOTED ON.

IF NOT, THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE.

SO THE FIRST ADJUSTMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS REALLY IN RESPONSE TO THE CO TWO MONITOR VOTE AND DISCUSSION.

WE HAD TO PROPOSE AN ANNUAL SYSTEM WIDE HVAC LINE ITEM FOR 100,000 FOCUS ON INDOOR AIR QUALITY BEGINNING IN FY 2025.

SO NOT NEXT YEAR, BUT THE YEAR FOLLOWING BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING NOT TO ADD TO THE FY 24 BUDGET TO CONTINUE EXPLORING OPTIONS TO SUPPORT MONITORING OF INDOOR AIR QUALITY AS WELL AS IT COULD BE USED FOR INVESTIGATION OR REPAIR AS NEEDED AND AS AS VOTED ON IN CASEY B THREE THAT CO TO MONITOR AD THE SECOND IS TO PROVOKE PROPOSE IN RESPONSE TO THEIR RELOCATE ALL DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD PROPOSED AN ANNUAL SYSTEMWIDE CAPACITY LINE ITEM NOT BEING SPECIFIC TO RELOCATE TABLES BUT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER INTERIM CAPACITY SOLUTIONS, WHATEVER THOSE MAY BE FOR $200,000.

AND IT WOULD BE ESCALATED OVER THE TEN YEAR FOUR INTERIM CAPACITY NEEDS AGAIN BEGINNING IN FY 2025 TO ADDRESS A ONE AND A TWO FOR THE THIRD ADJUSTMENT IS TO ADD THE 500,000 FOR A PLACEHOLDER FOR COMMUNITY PLAYGROUND FOR 90 DAY AND 1703 NORTH BEAUREGARD PER THE SCHOOL BOARD'S VOTE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'LL NEED TO REVISIT THAT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE IF THAT WILL BE FEASIBLE.

WE ALSO DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL BE ACHIEVED THROUGH THE 1703 DESIGN.

WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO BE REALLY INTENTIONAL ABOUT OUR COMMUNICATION ON THAT SO THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T SEE THAT AND ASSUME THEY'RE DEFINITELY GETTING A PLAYGROUND NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE.

AND THEN LASTLY, ADJUSTING THE 1703 NORTH BEAUREGARD PERMANENT USE TO REMOVE THE REFERENCE TO MIDDLE SCHOOL AS VOTED ON IN MA ONE.

THE TEAM HAD NO ADJUSTMENTS, BUT JUST KEEPING IN MIND THAT THAT IS CHANGING SOME OF THE WORK THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING RELATED TO THE DESIGN RIGHT NOW.

SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR ADJUSTMENTS.

REGARDING THE I DON'T KNOW IF WE MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE TO STOP THERE AND THEN WE COULD TALK THROUGH THE PROJECT PLANNING PRIORITIES.

SO WE CAN DISCUSS LINE ITEM ONE.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THE SUPERINTENDENTS, PROPOSE ADJUSTMENTS, AND I WILL ASK FOR A QUESTION.

SO IN REGARD TO NUMBER ONE, MS..

BOOS. YES.

NO, THANK YOU. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE IN A VERY SHORT TIME FRAME TO GO BACK THROUGH AND LOOK AT THESE SUPERINTENDENT ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION, A VERY PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION LAST WEEK IN REGARDS TO LINE ITEM ONE.

AND AGAIN, I SHARED THE BOSTON THING BECAUSE THE COMMUNICATION WAS INTERESTING.

BUT I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THAT WE HAVE THE BEST AIR QUALITY FOR OUR STUDENTS AND LEARNING ENVIRONMENT AND FOR OUR STAFF.

SO WITH THIS THIS GET TO I KNOW WE GET SOME GENERAL MEASURES OF CO TWO AND THE INDOOR AIR QUALITY IN THE BUILDINGS, BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE HOW DO WE KNOW THAT SOME CLASSES THAT ARE SOME CLASSES ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE BETTER IN TERMS OF AIRFLOW THAN OTHER CLASSES.

SO WILL THIS HELP GET TO THAT IDEA OF EVENTUALLY SOME CLASSROOM CLASSROOM MEASUREMENT SO WE KNOW IF THERE ARE SOME PROBLEM AREAS AND SOME OF OUR OLDER BUILDINGS.

SO WE COULD WORK ON MAYBE WHAT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR A FURTHER DEEPER DIVE ON AN INDOOR AIR QUALITY ASSESSMENT.

WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE WAY THE WAY OUR SYSTEM IS SET UP AND THOSE SENSORS WORK IS IF THEY HIT A CERTAIN LEVEL.

SO IF THEY'RE ALL BELOW 800 PARTS PER MILLION OF CO TWO, THEY WON'T SHOW THEY WON'T FLAG ON OUR RADAR, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY TRY AND GO GO IN AND LOOK.

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AND. AND WHY IS THAT? IT WOULD JUST BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DEEPER DIVE, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY WE COULD USE THOSE FUNDS FOR.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT LINE ITEM ONE? OKAY. NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS PROPOSING AN ANNUAL SYSTEM WIDE CAPACITY LINE ITEM FOR 200,000.

OH, YEAH. SINCE WE DO WANT TO GO, JUST DO THUMBS UP.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO FOR NUMBER ONE.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

I LOVE HOW HE POPPED UP ON THE CAMERA.

I JUST HAVE. I HAD THIS TENSION LAST TIME TOO.

I FEEL LIKE I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ALL OF THEM AND THEN VOTE ONCE I KNOW THE ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL OF THEM, BECAUSE I MIGHT WANT TO PICK NUMBER THREE OVER NUMBER ONE BASED ON WHAT THEY SAY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SORRY TO USURP THE PROCESS.

WE CAN ACCOMMODATE.

ALL RIGHT, MR. TURNER, JUST HOLD ON.

WE GOT YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S DEAL WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR NUMBER TWO.

AND NUMBER TWO IS ADDING A SYSTEM WIDE CAPACITY LINE ITEM FOR 200,000 AND THAT ADDRESS CAPACITY.

HOWEVER, OVERALL, HOWEVER, WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT.

ALL RIGHT. SO, DR.

SIMPSON, THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE YOU HEARING OUR CONCERNS AND COMING BACK WITH ANOTHER PROPOSAL.

I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT WHAT ARE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES BESIDES RELOCATE TABLES THAT THIS MONEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED FOR? HOW MUCH WOULD THOSE THINGS COST? AND THEN, LIKE YOU YOU SAID SOMETHING IN YOUR PRESENTATION OF IT THAT THIS COULD BE ESCALATED OVER THE YEARS.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO ALL OF OUR IF YOU LOOK AT THE SYSTEM WIDE ACCOUNTS, THEY'RE ALL ESCALATED.

5% ANNUALLY JUST BECAUSE COSTS INCREASE.

SO WE NEED THE LINE ITEMS TO INCREASE.

IT WOULD BE $200,000 IN FY 2025 AND IT WOULD GO UP 5% EACH YEAR AFTER.

SO WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW.

DID YOU? SO.

SO IT COULD BE.

IT COULD BE LOOKING AT RELOCATE TABLES.

IT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE EXPLORING THE SCHEDULE LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LAST WEEK.

IT COULD BE MAYBE NOT ITS CAPACITY IN THE SCHOOL, BUT ITS CAPACITY ON BUSSES.

HOW DO WE LOOK AT THAT? THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS.

I WOULD SAY THAT THAT OR IT COULD BE USING THAT MONEY FOR A STUDY ON CAPACITY THAT MAYBE INFORMS A DIFFERENT CAPACITY PROJECT OR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT'S INSTRUCTIONAL MODELS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE IT COULD BE FOR MAYBE OUR FURNITURE TO EXPAND THE SPACE OR CHANGE OR MODIFY SPACE IN THE BUILDING. MS..

GREENE. SO FOR CLARIFICATION.

SO THAT'S 200,000 THAT WOULD BE PUT IN EACH YEAR AND IT POTENTIALLY WILL JUST GROW AND NOTHING ELSE WOULD BE USED.

THAT MONEY WOULD BE USED FOR NOTHING ELSE.

CORRECT. AND THEN 200,000 WAS BASED ON THE PRICE OF ONE RELOCATE.

AM I CORRECT? SO I BELIEVE WHAT WE GAVE WAS 150000 TO 200000 FOR ONE RELOCATE ABLE.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU.

MR. HARRIS. SORRY.

SO THIS 200,000, JUST TO CLARIFY.

IT MAY NOT SOLVE ANY ISSUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE A STOPGAP TO $10,000 TO PUT IN THE POT TO SAY WE DID SOMETHING WITH IT.

IS IT REALLY GOING TO SOLVE OR ADDRESS THE ISSUE WITH REGARD TO CAPACITY? SO I THINK ANYTHING THAT WE DO TO HELP WITH THE CAPACITY DISCUSSION, WHETHER IT'S FUNDING OR THE WAY WE LOOK AT OUR SCHEDULE OR THE WAY WE STRUCTURE CLASSROOMS, YOU HEARD THEM TALK BEFORE ABOUT HOW WE COULD BETTER USE OUR BUILDINGS.

SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE CHANGING THE STRUCTURE OF A CLASSROOM OR WE HAVE SOME LARGER CLASSROOMS OR THE WAY WE HAVE SOME OPEN SPACES.

IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF THINGS.

RIGHT NOW, OUR STAFF ARE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE OPTIONS.

PLEASE KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT THE ONLY OPTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THIS WOULD GO TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD.

SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER RESOURCE TO HELP KIND OF MITIGATE WHAT SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN AROUND THOSE TWO SCHOOLS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DR. REEF. OH, OKAY.

SO, MISS IGNACIO, I JUST I'LL JUST MY COMMENT IS JUST REALLY QUICK.

IN RESPONSE TO WHAT MR. HARRIS SAID, I MEAN, I JUST THINK OF IT AS LIKE A CONTINGENCY FUND THAT WE CAN BE USING AS NEEDED.

I KNOW THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT MS..

IGNACIO TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THAT THERE USED TO BE A LINE ITEM FOR THAT.

SO JUST LIKE I THINK THE PROJECT PLANNING.

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MISS IGNACIO.

THANK YOU. I DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED A LINE ITEM.

I DON'T SEE 200,000 AS MAKING MUCH OF A DENT IN THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING, PARTICULARLY AT OUR SECONDARY LEVEL.

200,000 WOULDN'T HIRE TWO TEACHERS AND THE OPERATING BUDGET.

SO I THINK IT'S A WAY TO PLEASE US AND PUT THAT LINE ITEM BACK.

BUT I'M ANXIOUS TO HEAR A PROBLEM SOLUTION TO THE CAPACITY AS OPPOSED TO PLEASING US BY PUTTING THIS $200,000 IN THERE.

I UNDERSTAND THE MASTER SCHEDULE, I UNDERSTAND ROOM UTILIZATION.

I THINK IN PARTICULARLY SOME OF OUR BUILDINGS, WE ARE OVERUSING OUR ROOM UTILIZATION.

AND SO I REALLY JUST WANT TO SEE A PLAN FOR ADDRESSING THIS CAPACITY IS REALLY WHAT I WANT TO SEE.

I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN CONTINUE OVER THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS AT THE SECONDARY LEVEL WITH WITH THE NUMBER OF KIDS THAT WE HAVE, NOT TO MENTION THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AT SOME OF OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YOU'D BE LIKE, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. IGNACIO. PLEASE KNOW THAT WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT THAT'S COMING IN TWO YEARS, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER PROGRAMING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I THINK THAT WILL HELP PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE TO THE BOARD ON WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

BUT YES, SOMETHING ALONG THIS LINE IS NOT GOING TO FIX THE LARGER ISSUE OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW.

BUT THOSE NUMBERS WITH ENROLLMENT HAVE BEEN SHARED PUBLICLY.

AND I THINK ONCE YOU SEE THE HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT PLAN AS WELL AS SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, THAT YOU WILL SEE HOW WE CAN SUPPORT, TRYING TO KEEP IN LINE WITH THE BOARD'S REQUESTS FOR THE SMALLER CAPS.

CAN I JUMP? YES, DR.

SIMS AND BAIRD. I THINK ON THESE POINTS, TOO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SUPER INTERIM SUPERINTENDENT IS FOR FY 25.

SO THIS WOULD GIVE US TIME TO SEE THE FORTHCOMING HIGH SCHOOL PLAN AND CHANGE IT THIS TIME NEXT YEAR IF WE DECIDE THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARY.

OK. DID.

YOU DIDN'T, HUH? OH.

ALL RIGHT, I HAVE TO KEEP UP OK.

LET'S LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS TO ADD A $500,000 FOR A PLACEHOLDER FOR PLAYGROUND FOR 90 DAY.

NOW, THE UNDERSTANDING WITH THIS IS THAT WE CAN HAVE THE MONEY IN THAT PLACE, BUT WE MIGHT DETERMINE THAT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO DO.

SO, DR.

SIMPSON, I'M TALKING A LOT TONIGHT.

THIS ISN'T A COMMENT.

I AGREE. I THINK WE ALL SORT OF AGREED LAST TIME THAT THIS IS A NEED AT THAT SCHOOL, BUT ALSO VERY CHALLENGING ON THE SPACE CONSTRAINTS.

I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAPS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND LIKE WINKLER PRESERVE.

AND I'M WONDERING IF SINCE THAT IS NOW AN OVERPASS PROPERTY, IF THAT SORT OF LIKE NORTHWESTERN EDGE COULD BE DEVELOPED, THE ONE THAT SORT OF BACKS UP TO THE BACK OF 1703, LIKE IF THERE COULD BE SOME SORT OF PARTNERSHIP OR TALKING WITH THEM ABOUT LIKE I KNOW IT'S VERY WOODED, MAYBE SOME SORT OF NATURAL PLAYGROUND COULD BE REALLY NICE THERE. I JUST WONDER IF THAT COULD BE AN OPTION WORTH EXPLORING OR IF ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE.

CITY. THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE NOT HAPPENED YET.

I'M TAKING NOTES.

IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT BIT OF INFORMATION.

YEAH, I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO PUT A SECOND ON THAT BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT FOR A WHILE.

YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A TIME BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH, IF ANY, ACCESS TO WINKLER RECENTLY, BUT PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS A GREAT SPACE JUST FOR THE SCHOOL COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.

SO I THINK SOME OF SOMETIMES WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR CAN BE FOUND THROUGH PARTNERSHIPS.

AND SINCE THAT PARTNERSHIP HAS BUBBLED UP AGAIN, THAT'S WORTH, I THINK, CAPITALIZING ON.

I MEAN, THE LOCATION ITSELF IS GREAT.

SO AND I THINK JUST JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, AND EVEN AT A MINIMUM, HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT SPACE FOR PROGRAMING.

SO MAYBE IT'S NOT A PLAYGROUND, BUT THERE IS A TIME LIKE A WEEKLY NATURE WALK THAT'S BUILT INTO SOME SORT OF SCHEDULE THERE OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT THAT SPACE COULD BE UTILIZED FOR, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY I LOVE GOING THERE.

IT'S SUCH A GEM IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND TO BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE IT INTO OUR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS WOULD, WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

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DR.. DR..

KAY. WHY THE MISUSE? I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT WE DO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM.

WE HAVE RECONNECTED AS THEY HAVE THE NEW FUNDING FOR IT, AND IT IS SPECIFICALLY TO WORK WITH OUR SCHOOL DIVISION.

SO MR. HUFFMAN IS WORKING WITH THEM ON MORE EXTENDED LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES.

SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BRING IN FACILITIES TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND THEY'RE VERY EAGER TO HAVE OUR CHILDREN COME AND BE A PART OF.

MS.. BOOS. YEAH. NOW, GREAT.

THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT HOW WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL COMMUNICATING WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SO SINCE WE WE KNOW THAT THIS PLAY SPACE MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE, BUT I APPRECIATE THE WILLINGNESS TO LOOK INTO IT.

I THINK THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS IF IT'S WINKLER OR THE SPACE OR SOMETHING, BUT HAVING THAT COMMON SPACE FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND FOR A DAY TO GATHER WHEN SCHOOL IS OUT OF SESSION.

SO IF THE WINKLER IS THE SOLUTION THAT WE CAN PARTNER WITH THE CITY ON, THEN I AM.

THAT'S THE BETTER SOLUTION THAN I AM ALL FOR GETTING TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE ULTIMATE GOAL.

NOT NECESSARILY SAYING LET'S CRAM A PLAYGROUND IN THIS LITTLE SQUARE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE, AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.

BUT WE DO WANT A PLACE FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND BE TOGETHER.

AND WE'VE CERTAINLY HEARD THAT THAT IS A DESIRE OF THEIRS AS WELL.

OKAY. WE ARE LOOKING AT ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS ADJUSTING 1703 NORTH BEAUREGARD.

PERMANENT USE IN REMOVING THE REFERENCE TO MIDDLE SCHOOL.

QUESTIONS. COMMENTS.

GO AHEAD. Q THANK YOU.

YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE HAVING DESIGN CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW, AND SO THIS CAN IMPACT THAT.

CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT SPACE FOR ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND I HAD THROWN OUT THE IDEA OF HIGH SCHOOL AS WELL.

SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR.

SURE. SO PERKINS EASTMAN WAS BROUGHT BROUGHT ON BOARD AS OUR DESIGN FIRM FOR 1703.

SO THAT DESIGN HAS KICKED OFF.

WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING AND THEY ARE WORKING ON IT.

THEY HAVE BEEN USING THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ASPECT TO DRIVE SOME OF HOW THEY'RE DESIGNING CERTAIN SPACES.

SO WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN THE BUILDING TO BE FLEXIBLE FOR SURE.

BUT I THINK THE THE PERMANENT USE WOULD REALLY INFORM A LOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE DESIGN.

RATHER THAN NOW WITH WITH THESE ADJUSTMENTS, WE MAY JUST BE DIRECTING THEM TO USE THE ELEMENTARY ED SPEC OR, AND, AND LOOKING AT POTENTIAL FLEXIBILITIES IN THE FUTURE FOR HIGH SCHOOL OR MIDDLE.

BUT THERE KIND OF HAS TO BE A PRIMARY FOR THEM TO REALLY FOCUS ON.

AND SO THEY WERE USING MIDDLE AS ASSUMING THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE PERMANENT USE.

AND SO NOW THEY'LL BE USING ELEMENTARY, IT'LL BE CLASSROOMS. WE HAVE RENOVATION MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO ADJUST IT FOR WHATEVER ITS PERMANENT USE IS GOING TO BE DOWN THE LINE.

BUT JUST JUST KEEPING THAT IN MIND.

JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACK WHATEVER I KNOW ONTO THAT COMMENT.

ANOTHER THOUGHT I WAS HAVING, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU WERE TALKING THROUGH IT, WAS THE FACT THAT EVEN THOUGH WE LOOK AT OUR RECIPE IN A TEN YEAR SPAN AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE GEORGE MASON AND COREY KELLY, THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED SWING SPACE FOR LIKE RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT TEN YEAR LINE IS OTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING DOWN THAT MAY ALSO NEED SWING SPACE.

SO I'M JUST THINKING LIKE IF THERE IF THERE IS A WAY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW LIKE ANOTHER THING, MANY HOWARD, AT ONE POINT IT WAS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THEN IT WAS A CENTRAL OFFICE, THEN IT BECAME THE NINTH GRADE CAMPUS.

SO I'M JUST THINKING LIKE.

IF WE CAN DESIGN IN A WAY THAT IS FLEXIBLE.

I SEE THAT BUILDING AS BEING A SPACE WHERE IT COULD BE USED IN DIFFERENT WAYS OVER TIME IF NEED BE.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HOW THAT IS GOING WITH THE DESIGN PROCESS, BUT THAT'S JUST SOME FEEDBACK.

SO. SO I JUST KIND OF HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE.

IF WE GIVE THEM AN ASPECT DESIGN, RIGHT? I KNOW THAT WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE, BUT THE MINUTE OUR SPACE IS ONE THAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME WHERE WE TRIED TO LIKE, MAKE THAT A HIGH SCHOOL.

THAT IS NOT A GREAT SPACE FOR HIGH SCHOOL.

AND SO I'M THINKING IF WE DESIGN WITH ELEMENTARY ED SPECS.

LIKE, HOW FLEXIBLE CAN YOU GET IN ORDER TO MAKE A SHIFT TO HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S NOT TOO COSTLY.

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SO I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THE TEAM WAS WAS HOPING WE COULD GET SOME SORT OF GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE THOUGHT WAS FOR THE FINAL USE OF THE FACILITY, BECAUSE THAT DOES HELP INFORM THE DESIGN PROCESS EARLY ON.

AND JUST GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF HOW DO WE WORK WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THE VISION OF THE SCHOOL BOARD AS IT RELATES TO THE FINAL USE OF THIS FACILITY.

SO WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, FLEXIBILITY FROM ELEMENTARY TO MIDDLE SCHOOL OR POTENTIALLY JUST OPEN FLEXIBILITY TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO BE MOLDED INTO WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE NEED. I THINK THAT ALL OF THAT COMES WITH ADDITIONAL COST TO BE QUITE TRANSPARENT IF WE WANT TO HAVE MORE OF A I GUESS, NON. SPECIFIED KIND OF DESIGNS WHERE IT'S JUST AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE.

AND I STILL THINK THAT THERE WILL BE LIMITATIONS TO THAT.

THE TEAM ARE DEFINITELY MORE WELL VERSED IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFICS REGARDING THOSE LIMITATIONS, BUT.

THERE WILL BE LIMITATIONS TO TO.

HAVING A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN A SPACE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY AN OFFICE BUILDING, TOO.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THAT THIS IS NOT A MODERNIZATION FROM THE GROUND UP.

WE ARE RETROFITTING AND REDESIGNING WITHIN AN OFFICE BUILDING SPACE.

SO JUST WANTING TO PUT THAT IN CONSIDERATION.

BUT AND. YEAH, I WOULD.

PARTLY. I WANT TO JUMP IN. SURE.

THERE'S JUST CERTAIN THINGS LIKE IF YOU JUST BRING UP AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT? ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, LIKE KINDERGARTEN CLASSROOMS TO HAVE BATHROOMS. AND SO IF WE'RE THINKING THAT DOWN THE LINE, IT COULD BE HIGH SCHOOL OR MIDDLE SCHOOL, WE WON'T NEED THOSE BATHROOMS. SO DO YOU WANT TO PUT THAT INVESTMENT INTO THE BUILDING AT THIS TIME? AND HOW LONG THAT WOULD BE? WOULD THAT BE USED? CUBBIES IS ANOTHER ONE.

YOU WOULD HAVE THAT WITHIN THE YOU COULD HAVE IT WITHIN THE CLASSROOM, OR YOU CAN TRY TO HAVE IT OUTSIDE OF THE CLASSROOMS DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WOULD USE THAT SPACE FOR LATER.

SO THOSE ARE THE LIKE THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION TO THE DESIGN DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN THE FUTURE AND HOW MUCH FLEXIBILITY YOU WANT TO BUILD INTO THOSE.

AND I THINK I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT THAT OUR TEAM IS TRYING TO REALLY BALANCE WHAT WHAT MAKES SENSE AS AN INVESTMENT FOR A SWING SPACE IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL VERSUS IF THAT'S IF IT'S PERMANENT USE ISN'T GOING TO BE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

MAYBE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US, BUT BATHROOMS IN IN THE SCHOOL.

BUT IF IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, MAYBE WE GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

THINKING ABOUT CUBBIES AND ANY OF OUR CABINETRY HEIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT COULD BE IMPACTED.

PRE K AND KINDERGARTEN CLASSROOMS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE OVER 1000 SQUARE FEET.

MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL ARE 850.

SO IT'S IT'S NOT IT'S NOT BIG SWINGS AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO USE IT IN IN EITHER WAY.

BUT JUST KNOW THAT YOU'RE IMPACTING LIKE WHICHEVER PROGRAM YOU'RE NOT HAVING DRIVE THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE IMPACTING THEM A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE EITHER YOU'RE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF CLASSROOMS, YOU CAN HAVE A SECONDARY OR YOU'RE PROVIDING LOW CABINET AND TOILET HEIGHTS AND NO ROOM FOR OR NO ROOM FOR SITTING ON THE FLOOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN SOME OF THE ELEMENTARY.

SO THOSE THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS AND I THINK THE TEAM WENT INTO IT THINKING, OKAY, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A SWING SPACE FOR THIS AMOUNT OF YEARS.

WHAT CAN WE LIVE WITH? UNDERSTANDING ALREADY THAT IT'S AN OFFICE SPACE, SO IT'S ALREADY WE'RE ALREADY ADAPTING IT TO SOMETHING AND THEN HAVING TO ADAPT IT AGAIN.

DR.. IF YES, SINCE THE SPECS CAME UP IN THE CONVERSATION, I WAS WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I GUESS FOR THE NEWER BOARD MEMBERS LIKE THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD DECIDED TO HAVE THIS JOINT TASK FORCE ON FACILITIES PLANNING.

ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT WAS TO DEVELOP SPECIFIC EDUCATIONAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR PROTOTYPICAL ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL.

AND THOSE ARE LIKE A FEW YEARS OLD.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, IS THERE A PROCESS LIKE DO THEY HAVE TO BE UPDATED ON A REGULAR CYCLE OR.

SO THERE'S NOT A REGULAR CYCLE THAT WE WE UPDATE THEM.

IT IS A CONVERSATION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT PROJECT PLANNING DOLLARS BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO WITH SOME UPDATES.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE WE WILL UPDATE THEM KIND OF AS NEEDED AND AS WE SEE THINGS THAT COME UP OR ISSUES IN SCHOOLS THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADDRESS. I CAN SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW VIRGINIA GUIDELINES ON ON FACILITIES INCREASE FIRST GRADE CLASSROOM SIZE TO THE KINDERGARTEN SIZE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY CAPTURED IN OUR ED SPEC THAT WE WANT TO CAPTURE.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE DEAL WITH WITH THE DESIGNERS ONE ON ONE.

SO THOSE KIND OF THINGS COULD COME UP.

ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE A LOT MORE SPECIALIZED INSTRUCTION AND ENGLISH LANGUAGE LEARNER TEACHERS IN OUR BUILDING.

AND SO THEY REQUIRE SPACE THAT IS NOT MAYBE NOT ORIGINALLY CAPTURED INTO THE INTO THE SPEC.

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AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT SINCE 2014 IS WHEN THE SPECS ARE FROM.

AND SO WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH PROJECT PLANNING DOLLARS, HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR.

ALL RIGHT. SCROLL.

I THINK I NEED SOMEONE ELSE TO SCROLL BECAUSE I THINK I'M SCROLLING, BUT I'M NOT SCROLLING.

IT'S THE CLERKS WHO ARE SCROLLING FOR ME.

BECAUSE WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT.

SO. ALL RIGHT, SO WE CAN SCROLL DOWN NOW, I THINK.

SO DO WE WANT TO SHIFT? WE WANT TO SHIFT TO TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT PLANNING.

DID YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THESE FOUR ADJUSTMENTS FIRST? WOULD THESE WITH THE PROJECT PLANNING, IMPACT ANY OF THE.

TOP FOUR, I THINK FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, NO, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE DISCUSSION FIRST.

WHATEVER. ALL RIGHT, THEN LET'S LET'S VOTE.

DOMINICK IS THERE STARING AT ME.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE NUMBER ONE, PROPOSING AN ANNUAL SYSTEM WIDE HVAC LINE ITEM FOR 100,000 FOR INDOOR AIR QUALITY BEGINNING IN FY 2025.

SO WE NEED THUMBS UP FOR THAT.

YES. PLEASE GO AHEAD AND.

WELL, I KNOW INITIALLY.

SOMETIMES I THINK WE'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING.

INITIALLY, IT WAS ABOUT BOOZE.

IT WAS ABOUT CLASSROOMS. RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE GOING ON.

IT'S ABOUT SYSTEM WIDE, WHICH YOU ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT INITIALLY.

CORRECT. SYSTEM.

SO WE'RE JUST SAYING SYSTEM WIDE SO THAT IT'S NOT SPECIFIED TO ANY ONE SCHOOL.

SO IF WE WANTED TO DO A CLASSROOM, WE COULD JUST FOCUS A STUDY ON CLASSROOMS, BUT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE JUST CLASSROOMS AT JAMES K POLK.

RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I THINK I TALKED.

I'M NOT GOING TO DWELL ON THAT.

I MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT WHEN IT.

WHEN IT ALARMS. IT ALONE SOMEWHERE, ESSENTIALLY.

AND THEN.

WHOEVER'S WAS THERE, THEY CONTACT THE CLASSROOM OR WHATEVER MAY BE.

SO AS SOON AS A CO TWO LEVEL IS FOUND TO BE ELEVATED ABOVE 800 PARTS PER MILLION, THE BUILDING, THE HVAC SYSTEM IN THE BUILDING WILL START DOING THINGS TO BRING IN MORE OUTDOOR AIR TO LOWER THAT.

IN THE MEANTIME, OUR BUILDING SYSTEMS MANAGER ON THE MAINTENANCE AND CUSTODIAL SERVICES TEAM WILL GET AN ACTUAL ALERT, AT WHICH POINT HE CAN GO OUT TO THE BUILDING. HE COULD CALL THE BUILDING ENGINEER AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN CLASSROOM 212? WILL THEY EVACUATE THE CLASSROOM? NO, IT'S SO BECAUSE IT'S 800.

IT KICKS ON BEFORE IT GETS TO ABOVE 1000.

BUT I WILL ADD, MR. BAILEY, IF THERE IS A NEED TO EVER RELOCATE STUDENTS DUE TO ELEVATED LEVELS AND WE CANNOT GET THEM DOWN, WE WILL DO SO TO INCLUDE EVACUATION IF NECESSARY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO AGAIN, I'M LOOKING FOR THUMBS UP ON ITEM NUMBER ONE.

ALL RIGHT. THREE OR.

OH, AND MISS IGNACIO.

ALL RIGHT. IS IT JUST SO I'LL RAISE MY HAND WHEN I GIVE A THUMBS UP? OKAY. THAT ITEM IS A YES.

SO YOU HAD MR. TURNER EIGHT.

THE. ALL RIGHT.

THE NEXT PROPOSED AND ANNUAL SYSTEM CAPACITY LINE ITEM FOR 200,000 THAT INCREASES EVERY.

EVERY YEAR THEREAFTER.

THUMS UP.

I CAN'T SKIN SOMEBODY.

STEVENS. IGNACIO.

I'M UP. OKAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE.

THUMBS UP. ALL RIGHT.

A $500,000 PLACEHOLDER FOR COMMUNITY PLAYGROUND AT FERDINAND DE.

IS THAT 2025, RIGHT.

THAT STARTS 2025. SO ANY THUMBS UP FOR THAT? ALL RIGHT. ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.

YEAH. PLEASE ASK YOUR QUESTION.

DON'T ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS.

PLEASE. JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY.

YES, CLARIFY.

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YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT.

YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

SO BY 2025, WE'LL KNOW IF THERE'S SPACE.

FOR THAT. PLAYGROUND.

RIGHT. BUT. IS.

AND I NEVER LIKE TO PROMISE ANYTHING, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY YES, THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL IS TO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS FUNDING IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION TO SAY WHAT IS IT THAT WE COULD ACCOMPLISH IN THIS SPACE? OR BASED ON THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT ON THE WALKER WINKLER EXCUSE ME, RESERVE SPACE.

SO NOW THE TEAM CAN CAN LOOK AT BOTH POTENTIAL OPTIONS.

OKAY. YES, SIR.

AND SO I'LL TAKE SOME CLARITY TO SEE WE ALL NEED CLARITY IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO CULTIVATE A PARTNERSHIP WITH.

SOMEONE. I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO SPECIFIC, BUT IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO CULTIVATE A PARTNERSHIP, WE WOULD NEED THAT FUNDING.

LIKE WE WOULD UTILIZE THAT FUNDING.

FOR THAT. THAT'S BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A WE FIND WAYS TO UTILIZE ANY FUNDING THAT WE'RE GIVING.

SO I WANT TO SAY YES, BUT I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TEAM IS IN AGREEMENT WITH ME.

SO. YEAH.

I WOULD SAY JUST TO NOTE THAT IT IS AN FY 2225, SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FUNDS OR CAN'T COMMIT TO A PARTNERSHIP WITHOUT BEING IN THAT FISCAL YEAR AND HAVING IT APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPROVED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD.

BUT YES, CAPITAL FUNDS CAN CONTRIBUTE TO POTENTIALLY A JOINT PROJECT.

THAT'S MY QUESTION. ALL RIGHT.

SO THUMBS UP FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE.

ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT.

NO, IT WAS EIGHT.

OKAY. NUMBER FOUR.

ADJUSTING 1703 NORTH BEAUREGARD PERMANENT USED TO REMOVE REFERENCE TO MIDDLE SCHOOL NEED.

THUMBS UP FOR THAT.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.

FIVE. WE HAVE SIX FOR THAT.

OKAY. CAN WE THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PLANNING ITEMS. AND JUST TO REITERATE AGAIN, THOSE FOUR ADJUSTMENTS ARE NEUTRAL ON THE FY 24 BUDGET.

THE ONLY THINGS YOU HAD WERE IN FY 25 AND BEYOND.

AND THEY ALSO REPLACE YOUR AD DELETE FROM LAST WEEK, BUT THEY DON'T REPLACE THEY JUST ADD ON TO THEM.

BUT THEY'RE. SO THE TEAM TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT WE HAD PLANNED FOR PROJECT PLANNING FUNDS AND WHAT WE COULD AFFORD TO DO WITHIN EXISTING FUNDING AND WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE PRIORITIZING THE 500 AND ROUGHLY 550,000 IN FY 2024 FUNDING FOR NEXT YEAR.

SO NONE OF THESE ARE AN ADD OR DELETE.

THEY'RE REALLY JUST A DISCUSSION ON PRIORITIES WITH THAT, THOSE DOLLARS AS WE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK.

PROJECT PLANNING FUNDS SUPPORT MULTIPLE THINGS THROUGHOUT THE DIVISION, INCLUDING ATTORNEY FEES ASSOCIATED WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS OR REAL ESTATE CONSULTANT FEES. ANY MISCELLANEOUS DESIGN THAT MIGHT COME UP AS EMERGENCY OR DIFFERENT EMERGENCY PLANNING NEEDS THAT COME UP ANY TIME THE CITY ASKS US TO GO IN ON A JOINT PLANNING PROJECT WITH THEM, SUCH AS WHEAT OR WHEELER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THOSE THOSE ARE THE DOLLARS.

THAT'S WHAT THOSE DOLLARS SUPPORT.

SO THAT BEING SAID, WE TOOK A LOOK AT EXISTING FUNDING AND HAVE DETERMINED AND JUST BASED ON SOME ROUGH ESTIMATES, WE BELIEVE A DATA ANALYSIS WITH THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT THAT WE BELIEVE THE BOARD IS LOOKING FOR MIGHT COST US AROUND 150,000.

WE WOULD PROPOSE PRIORITIZING EXISTING FUNDS FOR THAT.

ADDITIONALLY ADDITIONALLY, THE ATHLETIC ASSESSMENT, SPECIFICALLY THE THE PORTION OF THE ATHLETIC ASSESSMENT THAT PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE SCHOOL BOARD WERE REFERRING TO RELATED TO FACILITIES AND THINGS THAT THE CAPITAL BUDGET WOULD FUND.

SO AGAIN, NOT COACHING STAFF, NOT PERSONAL EQUIPMENT FOR SPORTS, REALLY JUST FACILITIES AND ACTUAL EQUIPMENT THAT THE CAP WOULD PROVIDE.

WE'RE ESTIMATING 100,000.

SUPPORTING THAT AND AGAIN, COULD USE EXISTING PROJECT PLANNING DOLLARS.

WE'LL STILL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH SCOPING AND PROCUREMENT PROCESSES.

SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE KIND OF TAGGING THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE NOW, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN NOW AND WE WILL WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND KEEP THE BOARD UP TO DATE

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SO THE 551,000 THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE IN IN FOLLOWING UP ON DR.

KAY WYATT AND THE SCHOOL BOARD'S DISCUSSION ABOUT NOT WANTING TO GET AHEAD OF THE CITY AND CITY COUNCIL AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND HOPEFULLY BEING ABLE TO LEARN FROM SOME OF THEIR WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING RELATED TO PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS AND PREVAILING WAGE CONTRACTS.

WE SAID THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO IDENTIFY 125,000 OF THE 550,000 TO SUPPORT LEGAL AS WELL AS. SO WE BELIEVE IT WILL INVOLVE KIND OF ATTORNEYS TO HELP US EXPLORE DRAFTING LANGUAGE AND WHAT WHAT THOSE SPECIFIC CONTRACTS COULD LOOK LIKE.

BUT ALSO FROM FROM OUR SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT HAS TO DO THESE PROJECTS.

WE'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL AND THE TIMELINE IMPACT, AND THAT COULD INVOLVE CONSULTANTS WHO WHO ALREADY DO WORK AND PREVAILING WAGE AND PROJECT LABOR COSTS TO HELP US HELP US THROUGH THAT PROCESS FROM A PROJECT MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT.

SO WITH THAT SAID, WE JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOU ALL TONIGHT TO TALK THROUGH THE PRIORITIES AND MAKE SURE WE ARE ALIGNED.

AND IF SO, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT PLANNING BUDGET AS IS.

MS.. MOOS. YEAH.

JUST. THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE FIRST TWO BULLETS, A CADE ANALYSIS AND ATHLETIC ASSESSMENT IS PART OF THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR CIP.

SO FY 23 THAT WILL OPERATE IN ITS FY 23 AND PRIOR CAPITAL FUNDS ROLE.

SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE SOME LEFTOVER MONEY FROM PRIOR YEARS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

GREAT. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

AND THEN JUST ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE, THE ATHLETIC ASSESSMENT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES.

SO IT'S NOT JUST ATHLETICS.

IT WAS LOOKING AT ARTS AND OTHER PROGRAMING.

SO THE SCOPE OF THE SIP ASSESSMENT WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY TO THE ATHLETICS PROGRAM AND WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO SUPPORT FROM A FACILITY STANDPOINT.

SO JUST ATHLETICS IS WHAT WE WERE GOING TO USE THE 100,000 FOR US.

YES, WE'RE WORKING WE'RE JUST HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS NOW, AS YOU KNOW, AS IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO US.

SO I THINK WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH TEACHING, LEARNING AND LEADERSHIP TEAM ON WHAT THAT SCOPE COULD LOOK LIKE.

SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE WERE ONLY CONSIDERING ATHLETIC FACILITIES BECAUSE I GUESS I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES COULD IMPACT CAP COSTS.

BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE ISN'T LIKE ARTS DRAMA.

SOME OF THE FACILITIES WHERE WE NOT NON-ATHLETIC.

AUDITORIUMS. SO, MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ADD ON TO THAT? YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT IS A CLUB VERSUS WHAT IS AN ATHLETIC SPORT.

SO THIS IS TRULY THE FACILITIES AROUND ATHLETICS.

BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS THE USE OF THE WORD CLUB AND ARE WE REFERRING TO CLUB SPORTS OR CLUB OR OTHER RELATED ACTIVITIES LIKE FINE ARTS AND THAT SORT OF THING? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY PUT SOME GUIDANCE AND SOME STRUCTURES AROUND WHAT IS A CLUB AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND THAT MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. WE WE SPECIFICALLY SPOKE TO THIS WITH ATHLETICS AND STRUCTURES.

MS.. GREENE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ISN'T THERE MONEY IN THE HIGH SCHOOL'S BUDGET THAT FOR REPAIRS OF THE AUDITORIUM AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE? CORRECT. THANK YOU.

YES. THIS WAS AN ADDITION BASED OFF OF THE LAST DISCUSSION WAS TO ADD OR INCREASE THIS LINE ITEM.

AND AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, THAT WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER PROPOSALS THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD AND THE PROPOSED SUPERINTENDENT'S BUDGET FOR THIS.

I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP IN HERE BECAUSE I.

I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED AT THE AMOUNT.

OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN HERE.

SO WE'RE TALKING TO K EIGHT ANALYSIS.

ATHLETIC ASSESSMENT.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE PUTTING IN LEGAL AND CONSULTING FEES TO DETERMINE FEASIBILITY OF PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS.

I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROJECT, RIGHT? WHEN I'M I DO WANT TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT.

I MEAN, YOU ALL ARE SAYING.

BECAUSE. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE MONEY TO DO STUFF DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT.

SO AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, AROUND THE LAST ITEM AROUND THE LEGAL FEES AND WHAT THAT WORK AROUND PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS AND PREVAILING WAGE CONTRACTS, THAT THAT IS A HUGE LIFT.

RIGHT. FOR FOR THE STAFF WITH ALL THE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE ALSO HAVE.

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SO THERE WILL BE CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. PEREGRINE. THAT'S WHAT I'VE HAD THUS FAR, BUT THEY ARE STILL AT THE BEGINNING STAGES.

SO WE ARE GOING TO REALLY HAVE TO SEE LIKE WHY WE'RE PLANNING.

WE'VE GOT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT THESE LEGAL FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE FOR.

IS IT JUST RESEARCH FOR WHAT MAY COME ONCE THE CITY HAS FULLY IMPLEMENTED ON THEIR SIDE? AND THEN WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK FOR FOR US AND THE COST OR IMPACT TO OUR BUDGET? IT IS A HUGE LIFT. AND DR.

HARDT AND ANYONE FROM HER TEAM FEEL FREE.

TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS AT THIS TIME.

BUT THAT IS THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL HUGE PROJECT IN ADDITION TO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING THAT WE'RE EMBARKING ON AS WELL.

BUT WE AGREE IT WILL BE A HUGE LIFT.

AND I THINK PART OF IT IS JUST THERE'S REALLY NOT A AN EXAMPLE FOR US TO TO MODEL AFTER RIGHT NOW.

THE TEAM AND I HAVE ERIC AND I WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO NEIGHBORING SCHOOL DIVISIONS JUST TO SEE HAVE YOU STARTED THIS WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? WHAT HAVE YOU ENCOUNTERED? NONE OF OUR COUNTERPARTS AT THIS TIME HAVE STARTED DOWN THIS ROAD.

THEY BELIEVE IT MAY BE FORTHCOMING, BUT THEY HAVEN'T STARTED DOWN THIS ROAD.

SO I THINK FOR US, THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS WE ARE LITERALLY, LITERALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH AND NOT KNOWING WHAT OUR BEST PRACTICE IS, WHAT ARE OTHER SCHOOL DIVISIONS DOING, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO REALLY WOULD NEED A LOT OF EXTERNAL SUPPORT, LEGAL CONSULTANTS, SO ON AND SO FORTH TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE IMPLEMENT, WE'RE DOING SO IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE DIVISION.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION IN REGARD TO THE K EIGHT ANALYSIS.

WE'VE HAD A STUDY BEFORE.

WHAT WOULD WE FIND? WHAT WOULD WE THINK WE WOULD FIND DIFFERENT? IN DOING A NEW ONE.

I THINK THAT'S HARD TO DETERMINE DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO FIND WITH OUR PROGRAMING, OUR INSTRUCTIONAL PROGRAMING.

I THINK WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL KIND OF PROGRAM EVALUATION, WE WILL BE BRINGING TO YOU AN OVERALL PROGRAM EVALUATION FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ACCOUNTABILITY.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT WHEN IT'S WITH REGARDS TO DUAL LANGUAGE, SPECIALIZED INSTRUCTION, ALL THAT SORT OF THING.

SO WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO RUN ALL OF THESE KIND OF PARALLEL TRAINS AT THE SAME TIME THAT MIGHT GIVE US SOME OF THAT VERY SAME INFORMATION.

I THINK IT'S WORTH TAKING A LOOK AT THE OLD ANALYSIS.

BUT I DO THINK IF WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE ENOUGH DATA AND CAN MAYBE GO OUT AND DO OUR OWN RESEARCH ON THAT BECAUSE EITHER WAY, THE TEAM IS GOING TO HAVE TO PULL TOGETHER THIS DATA TO GIVE TO SOMEONE TO RESEARCH WHILE AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE LOOKING AT MIDDLE SCHOOL PROGRAMING BECAUSE THAT'S PART AND SEEING THAT BOARD BRIEF THAT CAME TO YOU ALL, AS WELL AS THE HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT, WHICH IS THE NINE THROUGH 12 EARLY COLLEGE.

AND LIKE THERE'S THERE'S SO MANY PROGRAMING THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY THAT WE REALLY NEED TO PUT A FOCUS ON ONE AND PRIORITIZE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEEDS TO HAPPEN FIRST. AND QUITE HONESTLY, THE HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT THAT IS TWO YEARS OUT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FIRST.

HOWEVER, WHILE THAT'S GOING ON, PLEASE KNOW THAT TLW AS WELL AS ALL THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP TEAMS LOOKING AT K-8, MIDDLE SCHOOL PROGRAMING, MIDDLE SCHOOL ATHLETICS, CLUBS LIKE ALL OF THIS WORK IS STILL BEING DONE.

WE JUST HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THE WORK BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME STAFF THAT WE'RE PULLING ON TO PULL THE DATA AND PRESENT IT WHILE STILL OPERATING THE REGULAR REQUEST AND ASSIGNMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO.

BUT THE HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT IS DEFINITELY A PRIORITY, AND I THINK MY TEAM WILL TELL YOU, WE THOUGHT WE'RE TWO YEARS OUT, ACTUALLY PROBABLY LESS THAN TWO YEARS OUT, AS WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME DEADLINES AS EARLY AS THIS SPRING AND SUMMER THAT ARE HUGE LIFTS FOR OUR LARGER DEPARTMENTS, BUDGET FACILITIES AND TECHNOLOGY.

AND THAT IS LITERALLY IN THREE MONTHS FROM NOW.

AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO PULL THIS DATA TOGETHER AS WELL AS WORK ON THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PIECE THAT HAS TO START THIS SPRING AS WELL.

IF I CAN RESPOND TO MAYBE THE QUESTION THAT I THINK YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT, WHAT'S DIFFERENT BETWEEN THIS AND I'M GUESSING SPECIFICALLY THE GRADE LEVEL FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHICH WE DID WITH HANOVER, WHICH WAS MORE OF A NATIONAL STUDY ON DIFFERENT GRADE LEVEL CONFIGURATIONS.

AND I THINK PER DR.

REEF'S PROPOSED ADD, THIS WAS REALLY FOCUSED ON ASPS AND WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CASE IN ALEXANDRIA CITY AND HOW ARE THOSE STUDENTS PREPARED? AND MAYBE IN ADDITION TO THE THE DATA FROM THE ACCOUNTABILITY TEAM AND AND TEST SCORES, BUT WHAT'S WHAT'S THE QUALITATIVE EXPERIENCE OF STUDENTS IN THOSE

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IT'S NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FACILITIES RUNNING THIS EVEN THOUGH IT WILL BE A CAPACITY DISCUSSION.

WE CAN FUND IT IN THE CAP FACILITIES IS NOT GOING TO SOLELY BE RUNNING THIS ACTUAL ANALYSIS.

IT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH, TELL AND WORKING WITH THE SCHOOLS AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS? MORE QUESTIONS.

I'M GOING TO GO TO MR. HARRIS AND THEN DR.

REEF. I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE EXCUSE ME ABOUT THE PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS, AND I WAS REALLY ADAMANT ABOUT LAST WEEK.

I WAS A PART OF A STUDY FOR PLA SOME YEARS AGO AND.

THE STUDY ALONE, AND I CHECKED AND CHECKED ON IT OVER THE LAST WEEK.

THE STUDY ALONE WAS 217,000.

THAT WAS JUST A STUDY.

AND THE MISTAKE WE MADE IN INITIATING THE STUDY WAS WE WASN'T SURE WHAT WE WANTED.

WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE FRAMEWORK WAS BECAUSE WE HAD NOTHING TO GO OFF OF.

SO WE PUT THE MONEY INTO THE STUDY, GOT THE INFORMATION, AND REALIZED THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO I JUST CAUTIOUS CAUTIONED US TO KIND OF SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

AND I'M FULL AND FULL SUPPORT OF PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS, BUT JUST DUMPING MONEY INTO SOMETHING WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT WE KNOW THE OUTCOME IS OR WHAT THEY WANT TO BE IS A MISTAKE.

AND I FRANKLY SAY IT'S A IT'S A WASTE.

YES. AND THEN DR.

REEF. I JUST WANT US TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK.

THE CITY HAS ALREADY STARTED THIS PROJECT.

AND AGAIN, IT IS MY STRONG RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WAIT UNTIL THEY IMPLEMENT THEIRS, BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE SOME COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS WITH US SO THAT OUR PROJECTS ARE LIKE AND SIMILAR MOVING FORWARD.

SO AGAIN, THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION LAST WEEK.

SINCE THEY ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCING SOME CHALLENGES IN THE BEGINNING AND I'M HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. JOHN AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY ON THOSE PROJECTS AND LIKE PROJECTS LIKE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.

BUT IF THEY'RE TAKING THE LEAD AND THEY ARE PROVIDING OUR ULTIMATE FUNDING THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST STEP BACK, LET THEM TAKE THE LEAD AND THEN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR LESSONS LEARN, AND THEN WE BEGIN OUR PROCESS.

ALL RIGHT. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO LET MS..

IGNACIO SPEAK AND THEN I'LL GO TO DR.

REEF. ALL RIGHT. MS..

IGNACIO, THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO JUMP IN AND PIGGYBACK ON A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT NOT ONLY DR.

WHITE IS SAYING WITH THE CITY ALREADY STARTING THAT WORK, BUT WITH MR. HARRIS HAVING INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE WITH THIS ACTUAL PROCESS, I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LISTEN TO THAT. IF 125,000 ISN'T EVEN GOING TO PUT A STAMP ON BEGINNING THIS WORK, THAT IS MONEY THAT CAN BE USED OTHER PLACES FOR OTHER MEANS.

AND I DON'T KNOW PERSONALLY THAT MUCH ABOUT PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS, REALLY NOTHING AT ALL.

BUT IF HE HAS A BACKGROUND IN THAT AND HE HAS DONE THIS WORK, THEN I HOPE THAT WE CAN RESPECT THAT.

DR. REEF, THANK YOU.

I GUESS JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY FOR THE YEAR 2012, 2023 UNTIL THE SPRING OF 2024.

SO ASSUMING THIS IS COMING DOWN THE ROAD, SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK AT, I THINK HAVING THAT FUNDING AVAILABLE THERE SO THAT WHEN WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD, LIKE WE WE HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE AND SET ASIDE.

IF WE PUT THIS OFF A YEAR, THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S 20, IT'S THE FALL OF 24 TO THE SPRING OF 25.

SO I THINK HAVING THAT FUNDING AVAILABLE WHEN STAFF HAS THE CAPACITY AND WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD IN OUR DIALOG WITH THE CITY, THEN I THINK THAT IT'S USEFUL TO HAVE THAT FUNDING THERE. I THINK IT CAN BE.

I THINK IT'S IT'S COMING OUT OF THE PROJECT PLANNING, I BELIEVE.

SO THAT IS A FUND THAT IT CAN BE USED FOR DIFFERENT THINGS ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS.

THE K TO EIGHT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION JUST ONE OTHER KIND OF POINT, A REFERENCE AROUND THE K TO EIGHT.

I KNOW WHEN WE WERE BUILDING THE DOUGLAS MACARTHUR AND WE WERE GOING INTO THE DESIGN ON THAT, WE HAD FAMILIES ASKING, WELL, CAN IT BE A K TO EIGHT SCHOOL? SO I FEEL LIKE THIS ISSUE IS GOING TO KEEP COMING UP UNTIL WE JUST SORT OF MAKE A DECISION ABOUT OUR THOUGHTS ON THE K TO EIGHT.

DO WE JUST THINK WE NEED TO K TO EIGHT SCHOOLS AND ALEXANDRIA AND THAT'S THE ONLY THE K TO EIGHT SCHOOLS.

AND WE'RE GOING TO DO WE'RE GOING TO REVISIT THIS EVERY TIME WE'RE DESIGNING A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

SO I JUST THINK TRYING TO GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT FROM A PROGRAMING STANDPOINT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR OUR FUTURE CAPACITY PLANNING.

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I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING NOW IS FULL SCOPE OF FACILITIES AS WELL AS PROGRAMING.

SO I JUST WANT US TO BE CLEAR THAT WHEN WE'RE GOING INTO ANY TYPE OF ANALYSIS THAT WE AS A STAFF ARE CLEAR, BECAUSE EVEN WITH WITHIN STAFF, WE MIGHT BE HEARING DIFFERENT MESSAGES. SO IF THAT'S WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THIS, THEN AGAIN IT'S GOING TO GO BACK TO STAFF DOING THAT WORK.

SECOND ITEM, I'LL ALSO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT HAVING THAT MONEY AVAILABLE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD IS CLEAR ON THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE STAFF IF THE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE AND THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO COME BACK TO THE STAFF IN A FEW MONTHS TO SAY, WHERE ARE YOU ON THIS PROJECT? IF THE MONEY'S JUST SITTING THERE WITH THAT EXPECTATION THAT STAFF IS NOT MOVING FORWARD ON ANY TASK OR ASSIGNMENTS ON IT, THEN MAYBE THAT'S FINE AND BUILDS.

BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT AT THIS POINT THERE'S NO ASK OF THE STAFF TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK WITH REGARDS TO PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS.

SO JUST SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.

MR. HARRIS? NO. I'M SORRY.

THAT WAS MY FAULT.

MR. BAILEY. NEVER.

NEVER. AND THE REASON HE'S GOING BACK AND FORTH, BECAUSE BOTH OF US AGREE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BECAUSE WE'RE A LITTLE CONFUSED.

RIGHT. AS IT RELATES TO THE CONSULTING FEES OR THE FEASIBILITY PROJECT.

DR. KAY, YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL CITY COUNCIL DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, RIGHT? AND THEN WE GO. AND I AGREE, AND I THINK I TALKED ABOUT THAT IN LENGTH THE LAST MEETING, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT, DR.

REEF, YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO HAVE IT AS A CONTINGENCY PLAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR JUST.

RIGHT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT STAFF WAS PRESENTING WAS THAT THERE'S FUNDING IN THE PROJECT PLANNING THAT CAN BE SET ASIDE FOR THIS.

SO WE KNOW THE CITIES ARE WHAT? NO, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.

WHAT I'M SAYING. SO YOU SAY SET ASIDE.

I'M TAKING THAT IT'S HERE IN BLACK AND WHITE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH.

RIGHT. BUT I'M HEARING YOU SAY SET ASIDE.

SO I'M JUST.

SO I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT.

RIGHT. AND I THINK STAFF NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL.

RIGHT. SO IS IT GOING TO SIT THERE? AND WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL, THEN WE DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT FUNDING.

RIGHT. OR IS IT SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO DO RIGHT NOW? ARE WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND TRY TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY RIGHT NOW? BUT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS THAT YOU BASICALLY WANT TO YOU WANT TO WAIT.

SEE WHAT DR.

Y COMES BACK WITH, I THINK.

AND WE HAVE. AND SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE FUNDING? YES, I SUPPORT THE FUNDING BEING THERE.

RIGHT NOW, THERE'S THE PROJECT PLANNING LINE ITEM, WHICH HAS 500,000.

AND IT'S USED FOR PROJECT PLANNING AS NEEDED FOR SOME OF THE COSTS THAT I HEARD TO OUTLINE THERE.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO EVER BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THESE THINGS.

LIKE WHENEVER WE ARE READY, WHENEVER STAFF HAS THE CAPACITY AND WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING THERE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO THAT'S HOW I'M VIEW.

SO HAVING THE FUNDING THERE AND DOING SOMETHING RIGHT NOW IS SORT OF IF I READ, IF I WALK OFF THE STREET AND READ THIS, THIS TELLS ME THAT WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW. RIGHT.

SO I JUST WANTED THAT'S WHAT I WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON.

AND THAT WAS MY POINT.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT THE EXPECTATION THAT WE ARE VOTING ON THIS.

AND WHILE IT IS GOING INTO NEXT SCHOOL YEAR THAT THERE'S NO EXPECTATION OF STAFF TO IMMEDIATELY GO BACK AND DO A WORK, TO DO FEASIBILITY, PULL DATA, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO START THIS FEASIBILITY PROCESS THAT THIS MONEY IS SITTING THERE.

BUT MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN FROM THE DISCUSSION, WE KNOW WE WANT TO DO IT.

IT'S A MATTER OF WHEN.

AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THE CITY GETS AT LEAST STARTED, COMPLETELY STARTED.

THEY'RE STILL IN THE BEGINNING STAGES.

YOU HEARD THAT FROM THE JOINT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING THAT WE HAD A FEW WEEKS AGO.

THEY'RE JUST AT THE BEGINNING STAGES.

THEY NEED TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THEIR PROJECTS.

OVER 35 MILLION.

AND WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR OURS? WE'VE ALREADY HAD A VERY TOP LEVEL DISCUSSION WITH THE HEART MYSELF ABOUT OUR PROJECTS OVER $35 MILLION, BUT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO STEP

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WE'LL CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY TO SEE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND THEN TALK ABOUT WITH MR. TURNER'S OFFICE AS WELL, WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO TO OUR BUDGET.

RIGHT. AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO AS A STAFF TO BEGIN TO ALSO INCORPORATE THIS INTO OUR SCOPE OF WORK AS A STAFF.

BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN HERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE THE FEASIBILITY, LIKE WE GET TO DETERMINE OR BRING TO YOU ALL WHEN THAT SHOULD BE STARTED AFTER MORE COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY AS WELL AS OUR TEAM.

SO. I'M DONE WITH THIS.

I JUST WANT TO SAY SO.

BUT TO SATISFY YOU, YOU WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THE FUNDING IS THERE.

CORRECT. I THINK THAT WHAT'S RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A LINE ITEM FOR PROJECT PLANNING FOR 500,000.

SO IF WE KNOW THAT WHEN WE'RE READY TO START DOING THE THE PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENT PREVAILING WAGE, THAT WE HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THAT IT'S COMING OUT OF THAT CATEGORY.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. YEAH, RIGHT.

THAT'S YEAH.

OKAY. AGAIN, I GUESS WE NEED TO CHANGE UP THIS WAY, THAT'S ALL.

MR. HARRIS. YES.

DR. KUAR, JUST TWO QUESTIONS.

WERE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BASED OFF AS GOING ON, MOVING THIS FORWARD LAST WEEK? DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY TO AGREE WITH THESE, BUT THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED OFF OF WHAT WE SAID WE WANTED.

CORRECT. THANK YOU, MR. HARRIS. WHO PUT ME ON THE SPOT WITH THAT ONE? LET'S SAY YOU DISAGREE.

LET ME SAY THIS. WE TOOK THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE BOARD AND WITH THE EXPERTISE OF MY STAFF, CAME BACK WITH TRYING TO INCORPORATE THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE LIMITATIONS AND INFORMATION RESOURCES THAT WE HAD ON HAND AT THE TIME.

WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION AROUND THESE PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS TO GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION, EXACT DOLLAR FIGURE, WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE GOING TO BE, BECAUSE AS YOU AS YOU HEARD, THERE ARE NO OTHER SCHOOLS WHO ARE ENGAGED IN THIS RIGHT NOW AND THE CITY IS JUST IN THEIR BEGINNING STAGES.

SO TO GIVE YOU A VERY GOOD QUALIFYING STATEMENT OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND HOW MUCH IT WILL COST IS SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT PROVIDE AT THIS TIME.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

IT DOES. AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, IF WE WERE TO HOLD THESE FUNDS IN MY EYES, I WOULD LOOK AT THAT AS AN EXPECTATION TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF WORK BEHIND THESE FUNDS. IS IT FEASIBLE FOR JUST TO SIT THERE AND NOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT, WITH THE KNOWING THAT, OKAY, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THIS MONEY BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO HOLD IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF.

WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IN DR.

HEART, YOU CAN JUMP IN THAT THAT FUNDING LINE ITEM IS SITTING THERE WITH MONEY IN IT THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF TAGGED FOR CERTAIN ITEMS. BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING LET ME CLARIFY.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE ARE ASKED TO SET ASIDE THIS FUNDING FOR THIS FUTURE PROJECT THAT IS TO COME.

NOW WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE WE NEVER KNOW.

AS DOCTOR, I'LL USE DR.

HART'S WORDS. I DON'T WANT TO PROMISE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE A LOT CAN HAPPEN, AS YOU KNOW, WITH ESCALATION OF OTHER COSTS.

AND MANY THINGS COULD HAPPEN.

WE'VE GOT THE NEW MANY COMING ON BOARD.

I THINK IT'S IT'S OKAY TO SAY THIS IS A FUTURE ITEM THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO.

BUT TO SET ASIDE, IT'S OUR IT'S OUR THE MONEY IS ALREADY SET ASIDE THERE FOR OTHER PROJECT LINE ITEMS. AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DR.

HART. NO.

SO REALLY, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, ESSENTIALLY IF WE ARE EARMARKING IT FOR THIS PURPOSE OR FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE, WE WON'T USE IT FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE.

AND SO WHETHER WE'RE ABLE TO INITIATE IT IN 24 OR IF IT LOOKS LIKE 25, THAT'S 125,000 THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE AS LONG AS IT'S EARMARKED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

AND THAT WOULD BE THE CASE FOR ANY PROJECT, THE SAME AS IF WE WERE EARMARKING 150,000 FOR THE K IN ANALYSIS.

THAT'S MONEY THAT WE CAN'T USE FOR ANY OTHER NEED THAT MAY ARISE.

SO IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE IT'S ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE ASKED TO GO IN, THEN IF OTHER NEEDS ARISE, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK TO THE BOARD AND SAYS, OKAY, ARE WE NOW EARMARKING? AND I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT'S A WORD.

WHERE ARE WE NOW TAKING THIS FUNDING AND USING IT FOR THIS PURPOSE? BECAUSE THERE'S A FINITE THERE'S A FINITE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE CAN USE FOR PROJECT PLANNING.

SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HEARING THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING BACK TO THE BOARD WITH SOMETHING WE THINK WOULD HOPEFULLY MEET THE NEEDS OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE BOARD, BUT ALSO WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT ONCE WE EARMARK IT FOR THIS PURPOSE, WE CAN'T USE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE IN THE MEANTIME UNLESS WE GET DIRECTION TO DO SO.

I GOT MS.. BOOS.

AND THEN BEFORE WE GO TO MS..

BOOS, ANY CLARITY ON HER PROCESS HERE? BECAUSE ARE YOU ASKING FOR BOARD APPROVAL? FOR THESE EARMARKS.

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THE PROJECT PLANNING FUNDS WILL REMAIN THE SAME.

SO THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT ABOUT PRIORITIES WILL HELP INFORM WHAT WORK WE ACTUALLY DO.

BUT THERE'S NO THERE'S NO VOTE OR THUMBS UP THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THAT, BUT GO AHEAD.

SORRY. I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED, TOO.

THE 125,000 FOR THE PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS IS IS THAT PUT IN WAS THERE A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD THAT VOTED LAST WEEK TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS? BECAUSE THE I CAN'T REMEMBER.

AND ALSO ON PAGE TWO OF THIS DOCUMENT, IT SAYS THAT, NO, THERE WAS NOT A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WHO VOTED THAT.

SO EITHER THAT'S INCORRECT.

UM, OR YOU ALL HAVE DECIDED THAT THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO TO BRING FORWARD TO.

I'M GETTING A LITTLE LOST.

SO. SO YOU ALL VOTED NO ON THIS, BUT THE DISCUSSION CENTERED AROUND NOT WANTING TO GET AHEAD, I BELIEVE, OF THE CITY AND STILL WANTED WANTING TO EXPLORE THIS. AND I THINK WE HAD CONVERSATIONS THAT PROJECT PLANNING WAS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO ADDRESS THAT.

I GOT IT. IT DOES GIVE A HAND UP.

I HAD ONE MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO.

GO AHEAD. OKAY, MR. TURNER. BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO SAY, ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU'RE VOTING YES ON THESE THREE ITEMS, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS DIRECTING STAFF'S ANNUAL WORK PROGRAM.

SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ADDING OR SUBTRACTING ANY FUNDING FROM THE CIP.

ALL YOU'RE DOING IS DIRECTING THE ANNUAL WORK PROGRAM OF THE TEAM, SO YOU'D BE DIRECTING THEM TO DO THESE TWO ITEMS, K EIGHT ANALYSIS, ATHLETIC ASSESSMENT, AND THEN ALSO THE ANALYSIS OF THE LEGAL CONSULTANT FEES, THE ONE AT THE BOTTOM.

SO IT'S REALLY JUST DIRECTING STAFF ANNUAL WORK PROGRAM, NOT ADDING ANY FUNDS TO THE BUDGET OR TAKING ANY FUNDS AWAY FROM THE BUDGET.

AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THESE FUNDS WOULD SIT THERE UNTIL THERE'S THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE ACTIVITIES, BECAUSE IF WE'RE DIRECTING A STAFF ANNUAL WORK PROGRAM, IT HAS TO BE FIT IN TO THE ANNUAL WORK PROGRAM WITH ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING.

SO THIS IS JUST SAYING WE WANT YOU TO DO THESE THINGS.

WE ALREADY HAVE THE FUNDING IN THE BUDGET AND YOU CAN USE THAT FUNDING FOR THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DIRECTING YOU TO DO.

SO YOU DO NEED A YOU ARE ASKING THEM FOR A CONSENSUS ON THAT, CORRECT? WE'RE NOT IT'S NOT A VOTE TO ADD MONEY, BUT IT IS A VOTE TO DIRECT STAFF TO USE THESE FUNDS IN THIS WAY, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO TACKLE EACH ITEM.

BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO ME THE ONLY WAY TO ADDRESS THIS.

WE REALLY NEED TO TO DETERMINE IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON EACH OF THESE ITEMS. MS.. BOOS AND THEN DR.

RIEF. OKAY. SO THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT 125,000.

SO, DR. KAY WYATT, ARE YOU SAYING THAT? RIGHT NOW. YOUR PREFERENCE NOW YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE TRYING TO REFLECT ON WHAT THE BOARD WANTS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT YOUR PREFERENCE IS TO NOT DO THIS RIGHT NOW, GIVE ANOTHER YEAR TO WORK WITH COUNCIL AND THEN WE COULD BRING THIS BACK IF WE NEED TO, AND TO CONTINUE TO DO OUR RESEARCH TO SEE HOW IT WOULD IMPACT SCHOOLS.

OKAY, GREAT.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO SNEAK IN ONE LAST QUESTION.

LET'S SAY YOU DON'T DO 125,000.

I MEAN K EIGHT AND ATHLETIC ASSESSMENT AND.

MS.. ALDRIDGE AND THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS IS A LOT.

IS THIS DOABLE? DO WE HAVE DO WE HAVE THE STAFF CAPACITY TO DO THESE PROJECTS? YEAH. I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF YOU, OF, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST.

I'M. DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITY? HONESTLY, NO.

WE MAKE IT HAPPEN.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE OTHER DIVISIONS TEND TO HAVE ACTUAL TEAMS THAT ARE JUST DEDICATED TO DOING THINGS SUCH AS FEASIBILITY STUDIES AND PLANNING OUTSIDE OF DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.

AND OUR TEAM REALLY DOES EVERYTHING AND IT'S PRETTY SMALL TEAM.

I DO WANT TO SAY IT'S IMPORTANT IN MY OPINION FOR US TO DO THE ANALYSIS BECAUSE WE NEED TO INFORM HOW WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CIP.

THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.

CIP IN TERMS OF EIGHT OR DO WE DO TRADITIONAL MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO THINK AHEAD BECAUSE WHAT WE PROPOSE AND BRING GIVE TO THE SUPERINTENDENT TO PROPOSE TO THE BOARD.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT AND WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT A BUDGET THAT WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND THEN COMPLETELY REDEVELOP.

AND NEXT YEAR, IF WE DON'T HAVE CLEAR GUIDANCE INTO HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD FROM AN EDUCATIONAL PERSPECTIVE.

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AND I THINK RIGHT NOW, AFTER THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET, THE TEAM DOES NOT REALLY HAVE A CLEAR THOUGHT AS TO, WELL, WHAT'S NEXT OR WHAT DO WE NEED TO FOCUS ON. AND SO THAT REALLY IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO OUR WORK PROGRAM.

THE ATHLETIC ASSESSMENT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM IN TERMS OF TIMELINE AND HOW QUICKLY WE WOULD NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE VISION OR THE ATHLETIC PROGRAM IN ORDER FOR US TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING, WORKING WITH PROCUREMENT, DEVELOPING A SCOPE TO GET THIS FEASIBILITY OUT.

SO I THINK AS LONG AS WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT FOCUS AND MAINTAIN THE TIMELINE, WE CAN COMPLETE THE FIRST TWO.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE THE LAST ITEM WITH THE PREVAILING WAGE IN THE PLA IS JUST BECAUSE, AGAIN, I THINK THE LIFT IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE DO WE EVEN BEGIN, WHERE DO WE START WITH THIS? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE ARE BRINGING FORTH INFORMATION AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE AND COMFORTABLE SAYING THIS WILL BE THE ADDITIONAL COST OR POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL COSTS WHERE WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

THIS LITERALLY KIND OF CAME TO US MAYBE A MONTH AGO AND SAID, HEY, BY THE WAY, WE WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON FROM THE CITY. AND BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF COLLABORATION WITH OUR WITH OUR CITY COLLEAGUES AND.

WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY PREPARED FOR FOR THIS TO COME AS FAST AS IT'S COMING.

SO I THAT'S THE ITEM THAT GIVES ME GREATEST CONCERN FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT, BECAUSE WE REALLY TAKE PRIDE IN BRINGING FORTH GREAT WORK.

AND I DO NOT HAVE CONFIDENCE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, IF I CAN.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY.

THANK YOU. IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, AND MAYBE SO WE CAN THE BOARD CAN PRIORITIZE IN THE FUTURE ON THE PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS AND PREVAILING WAGE. THERE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS, AND PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS WILL WILL REQUIRE A LOT OF BOARD INPUT AND AND ESTABLISHING A FRAMEWORK.

I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT FROM THE THE GUIDANCE OR THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD WITH THE CITY, THEY ARE APPLYING PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS TO PROJECTS OVER 35 MILLION.

WE ARE AREN'T GOING TO MAKE IT MANY HOWARD AND MACARTHUR ARE BOUGHT, SO THAT'S DONE.

1703 IS ABOUT TO BE BOUGHT, SO THAT'S DONE.

WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO MAKE IT ON GEORGE MASON BECAUSE WE'RE A YEAR OUT FROM THAT CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, MANAGER.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CORE KELLY SIX YEARS FROM NOW.

SO JUST TO THINK ABOUT WHEN AND WHERE WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY ON PREVAILING WAGE, WHICH I THINK THE TEAM MAYBE IS PRETTY A LITTLE ANXIOUS ABOUT JUST BECAUSE OF HOW THAT COULD IMPACT PROJECT SCHEDULES AND WHAT KIND OF CONTRACTORS YOU'RE BRINGING ON BOARD THAT THE GUIDANCE IS PROJECTS OVER 250,000.

THAT'S ALMOST EVERYTHING WE DO.

SO THAT IS FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION.

SO JUST IF IT HELPS THE CONVERSATION PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS PROBABLY WON'T ACTUALLY TAKE EFFECT UNTIL THAT CORE KELLY PROJECT FURTHER OUT.

AND AND THAT GIVES US MORE TIME TO REALLY ANALYZE WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AND BY THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE CITY'S TIMELINE.

DR. REEF. AND THEN I THINK WE SHOULD GO ITEM BY ITEM FOR YOU.

I THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND I APPRECIATE DR.

HEART YOUR HONESTY ABOUT STAFF CAPACITY.

AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT US TO BE MINDFUL OF.

I KNOW I TALKED AT ONE POINT WITH DR.

KAY WYATT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST SORT OF LIKE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PLANNING AND PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING AND KIND OF PUTTING THEM IN SOME KIND OF TIME FRAME, I THINK WOULD BE REALLY WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD KNOW, I'M SURE, AND FOR THE STAFF.

I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.

SO I JUST WANT TO PUT OUT THERE THAT I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

AND IT'S I THINK WE YOU KNOW, I THINK JUST LOOKING AT THAT DATA OR THAT TIMELINE OR SOMETHING WOULD BE WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US.

BUT JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT TO THE ISSUE OF THE PREVAILING WAGE VERSUS PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS, I MEAN, I THINK PREVAILING WAGE IS THE PRIORITY.

AND JUST AGAIN, TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND.

SO IN 2020, THE LAW IN VIRGINIA CHANGED TO ALLOW LOCALITIES TO HAVE PREVAILING WAGE ON PUBLIC PROJECTS.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT DID NOT HAPPEN IN VIRGINIA BEFORE 2020.

IT HAPPENS IN OTHER STATES.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW.

IT'S JUST NEW TO VIRGINIA.

AND THEN OUR CITY COUNCIL JUST THIS SPRING ADOPTED PREVAILING WAGE FOR ALL PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS IN THE CITY, OVER $250,000.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK WE HEAR AND YOU'RE EXPRESSING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE SCHOOL DIVISION IS GOING TO MOST LIKELY BE DOING IN THE FUTURE.

AND I KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME FOR EVERYONE TO COME UP TO SPEED AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS OF THAT.

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AND SO IF THERE'S FUNDING AVAILABLE THAT CAN HELP SUPPORT THAT, THEN I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE IT THERE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT THAT CONTEXT FOR EVERYBODY.

SO THANKS.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO GO ITEM BY ITEM HERE BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE WANT.

OUR PROJECT PLANNING FUNDS TO BE PRIORITIZED.

THE FIRST ITEM ON HERE IS AK8 ANALYSIS.

SO CAN WE GET A THUMBS UP FOR THE K EIGHT ANALYSIS? ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN.

IN. MISS IGNACIO.

I CAN'T SEE HER. ALL RIGHT, SHE'S UP.

ALL RIGHT, WE GOT EIGHT FOR THAT.

ALL RIGHT. THE SECOND ITEM, WE HAVE ATHLETIC ASSESSMENT, WHICH IS AN ESTIMATED $100,000 THUMBS UP.

SOMEBODY LOOK AT MISS IGNACIO.

YES. YOU GOT NINE THUMBS UP.

AND. OH, THANK YOU, DR.

SIMPSON. SHE'S HELPING ME.

SHE'S HELPING ME.

YOU'RE SO GREAT. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WE HAVE A LEGAL AND CONSULTANT FEES TO DETERMINE FEASIBILITY OF PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS.

THUMBS UP AS 125,000.

AND WE HAVE ONE, TWO.

WE HAVE TWO THUMBS UP, SO I THINK WE SHOULD DO A THUMBS DOWN FOR MR. TURNER. WE HAVE THUMBS DOWN, MR. TURNER. WE HAVE.

EIGHT THUMBS DOWN. I'M SORRY.

WHO DO I MISS? OH, I'M SORRY. I DID THE MATH WRONG.

OKAY. SEVEN THUMBS DOWN.

ALL RIGHT. I SEE YOU, MISS IGNACIO.

DON'T WORRY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT IS THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM US? ALL RIGHT, SO THIS BUDGET WILL BE IN FRONT OF US.

AND THURSDAY.

YEAH. TWO DAYS.

WOW. ALL RIGHT.

I DO WANT TO ADD, I KNOW THE PROJECT TIMELINE HAS COME UP AND I DO HAVE STAFF WORKING ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO EACH DEPARTMENT CAN PUT THEIR OVERALL PROJECTS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BIGGER THAN JUST WHAT'S DISCUSSED HERE.

SO I DO HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS TEAM AND STAFF WORKING ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

CAN'T REMEMBER, ARE WE? WE HAVE ONE MORE THING.

CAN'T REMEMBER MY AGENDA.

[3. 2023-2024 School Board Meeting Calendar DRAFT]

SO ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO HAVE MS..

NIELSON COME UP.

THERE ARE TWO DRAFTS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER.

SO I JUST WANTED MS.. NIELSEN TO SHARE HER THOUGHTS ON EACH OF THE DRAFTS.

THIS WILL BE VOTED ON AT THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING IN JUNE.

UM, WE HAVE SOME TIME TO.

I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS.

JANUARY 20, 23.

AND. SO.

YEAH, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU, MS..

NIELSEN. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

THANK YOU. SO THERE ARE TWO VERSIONS OF THE ACADEMIC CALENDAR I'M SORRY, BUDGET, SCHOOL BOARD MEETING CALENDAR.

SORRY, I'M VERY NERVOUS UP HERE.

THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING CALENDARS.

AND THERE'S REALLY SOME DECISIONS AS YOU LOOK AT THIS THAT YOU PROBABLY WANT TO LOOK AT.

ONE IS SORT OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE YOU WANT YOUR FIRST BOARD MEETING TO ACTUALLY BE.

THERE'S WHEN YOU WANT YOUR LAST MEETING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR TO BE.

AND ALSO.

THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS WHERE PERHAPS THERE'S A GAP WEEK SO THAT A MEETING IS NOT EVERY OTHER WEEK, BUT THERE'S YOU MIGHT HAVE A TWO WEEK GAP AND WHERE YOU WANT THAT GAP SPECIFICALLY.

SO IT BENEFITS YOU ALL OR PERHAPS STAFF.

SO ON THIS FIRST VERSION HERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE FIRST MEETING IS AUGUST 24TH, AND IT GOES EVERY OTHER WEEK.

AND THEN WE HAVE DIWALI ON THE 12TH AND THAT WE DON'T WANT TO USE BECAUSE THAT IS A HOLIDAY, MAYBE NOT FOR STAFF, BUT IT IS FOR

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BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE END OF JUNE, THERE IS A THE MEETINGS ARE LATER IN JUNE.

SO THAT MIGHT NOT BE A GREAT OPTION FOR YOU ALL OR FOR STAFF.

AND WHEN WE GET TO THE SECOND VERSION.

IT STARTS OUT VERY SIMILARLY SIMILARLY.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO OCTOBER, I'VE SHIFTED WHERE THE GAP WEEK IS THERE AND THAT PUTS THE.

IN NOVEMBER.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT SORT OF CALENDAR BUDGET DATES, PRESENTATION OF THE BUDGET, WHAT MIGHT BE AROUND THE SECOND.

AND THEN WE STILL HAVE THE TWO WEEKS TILL WE HAVE THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET ON THE 14TH OF DECEMBER.

SO ONE THING TO CONSIDER IS WITH DECEMBER HAVING ONE LESS WEEK, IT REALLY COMPRESSES THE BUDGET, THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS TO RUN THROUGH.

SO HAVING THAT NOVEMBER 2ND DATE MIGHT BE HELPFUL BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE ALL OF YOUR.

WORK SESSIONS, PUBLIC HEARINGS, ALL THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE THAT ADOPTION DATE COMES UP PRETTY QUICK.

AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME NUMBER OF WEEKS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CURRENT BUDGET CALENDAR.

AND THEN STARTING IN JANUARY, WE DO GO EVERY OTHER WEEK.

BUT WE HAVE KIND OF A GAP WEEK WHERE WE HAVE TWO LIKE NO MEETING WEEKS TOGETHER.

AND THAT IS SO THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR IN JUNE, THAT YOU HAVE TWO DATES THAT END EARLIER IN THE YEAR THAN THE OTHER CALENDAR.

SO. SO BASICALLY YOU JUST IF YOU HAVE ANY.

QUESTIONS OR WHAT YOU PREFER ON HERE.

BUT A LOT OF THIS IS DRIVEN BY THE BUDGET, I THINK, WHERE YOU WANT THE BUDGET TO START.

AND THE EARLY START DATE OF THE 24TH OF AUGUST.

DURING SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS LAST YEAR, THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANTED TO START HAVING BUDGET BOARD MEETINGS EARLIER AND THEN.

BUT IF THIS IS TOO EARLY TO START, THERE'S STILL OPTIONS TO HAVE WORK SESSIONS THERE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SUSAN. THANK YOU FOR THE WORK ON THIS.

AND AS IT RELATES TO THE EARLIER MEETINGS, I KNOW FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH US STARTING IN AUGUST AND HAVING THE FIRST SCHOOL BOARD MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, IT HAS CAUSED SOME CONFUSION AND WE NEEDED TO HAVE THINGS DONE EARLIER, I.E.

THE GRADING POLICY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO I REALLY LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE STARTING EARLIER CLOSER TO WHEN SCHOOL STARTS, AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND NOT HAVING OUR VERY FIRST MEETING ONE WEEK TO TWO WEEKS AFTER SCHOOL HAS STARTED.

CORRECT. DR.

REEF. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH MS..

GREEN. I FEEL LIKE STARTING, YOU KNOW, ALIGNING WITH THE SCHOOL YOU'RE STARTING EARLIER.

THAT'S STARTING THE BOARD MEETINGS.

THE FIRST WEEK OF SCHOOL WILL BE BENEFICIAL.

WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THESE, JUST SOME OTHER FEEDBACK, I DID HAVE QUESTIONS AROUND THE ROLLOUT OF.

I GUESS I WAS THINKING OF IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

THE BUDGET, THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS TYPICALLY ROLLED OUT AT THE FIRST BOARD MEETING IN NOVEMBER.

SO I WAS WONDERING AND I SEE I DON'T THINK MR. TURNER IS STILL ON, BUT BUT I THINK MAYBE WE COULD TALK TO THE FINANCE TEAM TO SEE OR OR THE CAPITAL PLANNING TEAM TO SEE IF YOU KNOW HOW MUCH OF A PUSH IS IT NOVEMBER 2ND VERSUS NINTH, IF IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO THEM, YOU KNOW, THEN I THINK WE COULD DO IT WHEREVER IT GIVES US MORE TIME TO ADD IN THE WORK SESSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IF THEY DON'T MIND, YOU KNOW, PUSHING IT EARLIER.

BUT I WOULD WANT TO DEFER TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK.

SAME THING WITH FEBRUARY.

I NOTICE THAT THE FIRST VERSION HAS THREE MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY, THE SECOND VERSION HAS TWO MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY.

SO JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW THAT FITS WITH WHAT OUR ADD DELETE, YOU KNOW, WORK SESSION KIND OF CALENDAR IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, I THINK IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

AND THEN ONE OTHER THING I APPRECIATED THAT THE SBA ANNUAL CONFERENCE WAS PUT ON THE ON THE CALENDAR.

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SIMILARLY, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE NATIONAL SCHOOL BOARD ASSOCIATION AND THE CONSORTIUM OF SCHOOL BOARDS, BOTH OF THEM HAVE A CONFERENCE THE FIRST WEEK OF APRIL.

SO IF ANYBODY IS AND WE HAVE SOME OF US HAVE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY GOING TO THAT THE FIRST WEEK OF APRIL, WE MIGHT WANT TO GO WITH THE SECOND VERSION THAT HAS THE THE MEETING THE SECOND WEEK OF APRIL.

SO IN GENERAL, I'LL JUST SAY I PERSONALLY AM MORE IN FAVOR OF THE SECOND VERSION BECAUSE IT HAS FROM FEBRUARY THROUGH MAY, IT JUST HAS TWO MEETINGS A MONTH.

AND THEN I WOULD JUST WANT TO TAKE A LOOK, PARTICULARLY AT THAT EARLY NOVEMBER, TO SEE IF THE CAPITAL, YOU KNOW, THE CAPITAL PLANNING TEAM CAN HAVE THE BUDGET READY ON THE SECOND, IF THAT'S OKAY FOR THEM.

I AGREE.

ANYONE ELSE.

UM, MS.. BOOS.

YEAH, I KNOW. WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT MOVING THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, AND I KNOW WE'LL BE VOTING ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING AS SCHEDULED IN JANUARY, BUT DO WE NEED TO REFLECT THAT HERE OR IF, IF THE BOARD, IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD ON MOVING OUR ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, WILL THAT BE PART OF AN AMENDMENT? AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO AMEND THE CALENDAR MEETING SCHEDULE.

SO I THINK WHEN YOU DO MOVE YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING THAT AT THAT ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING YOU CAN RE ADOPT THE CALENDAR TO REFLECT THE CORRECT ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING DATE, IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M JUST CURIOUS. ANYBODY HAVE A PREFERENCE? I PREFERRED VERSION TWO.

TO. OKAY.

IT'S THEIR PREFERENCE BECAUSE I WILL HAVE TO PROPOSE SOMETHING ON JANUARY 5TH.

SO DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST GET QUESTIONS? AND DO WE WANT HER TO POST BOTH OR ARE WE OKAY WITH HER JUST POSTING VERSION TWO? I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION.

I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH VERSION TWO, SO LONG AS WE HAVE DR.

KAY WHITE AND MR. TURNER HAVE REVIEWED IT.

IN TERMS OF THE CFP BUDGET, BASED ON WHAT DR.

REEF SAID ON NOVEMBER 2ND VERSUS NOVEMBER 9TH, AND PERHAPS IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THAT DRASTIC OF A CHANGE.

IT COULD JUST BE THAT WOULD BE THE ONE KIND OF OFF WEEK WHERE YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS OF A GAP BREAK.

IF WE NEED TO PUSH THE SIP PRESENTATION TO NOVEMBER 9TH.

LORD KNOWS WE THROW ANOTHER WORK SESSIONS IN BETWEEN TO I KNOW THERE WERE A NUMBER I'M SORRY, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AROUND THE CFP PROCESS THAT I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS AT A FUTURE RETREAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS WELL.

SO THAT MIGHT IMPACT WHAT THAT NOVEMBER TIMELINE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND I DO KNOW THAT MR. TURNER DID LOOK AT THIS CALENDAR AND DID ACTUALLY PREFER VERSION TWO OVER VERSION ONE.

MISS IGNACIO, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I HOPE THAT ENDS UP ON FOX.

BYE. AND JUST A REMINDER, YOU CAN REVISE YOUR BUDGET CALENDAR AS YOU GO AS NEEDED IF IT HAPPENS.

SO. OK.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

SO HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AND SEE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.