Dec 07, 2022 Work Session

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ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE NOW IN OUR WORK SESSION.

AND ACTUALLY, THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE ECB'S CUSTOMER RELATIONSHIP MANAGEMENT REPORT.

[1. Q1 Ask ACPS Customer Relationship Management (CRM) System FY2023 Report]

DOCTOR QUIET TO START OR TURN IT OVER TO MS..

BURGESS TO START.

ACTUALLY, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I'M ACTUALLY WOULD BE TURNING IT OVER TO MS..

JULIA BURGESS, WHO IS OUR CHIEF OF SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY RELATIONS CHIEF THIS EVENING, AND HER TEAM IS HERE TO PRESENT.

SO, MRS. BURGOS, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE PRESENT YOUR TEAM THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND WE'RE PLEASED TO PRESENT THIS REPORT.

I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A LOT OF THE INFORMATION REALLY INTERESTING.

AND IT REALLY SPEAKS TO REALLY THE FORESIGHT OF THE BOARD TO PUT THIS SYSTEM IN PLACE, BECAUSE WE'RE BEGINNING TO SEE THAT A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ARE BEING FILTERED THROUGH.

ASK AT THIS POINT, AND YOU'LL SEE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THAT IS ALSO KIND OF BEING DIVERTED FROM SCHOOLS, WHICH WAS THE INTENT OF THE THE THE SYSTEM.

SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'M GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO OUR WONDERFUL TEAM, LED BY TANIKA ZUKERMAN AND CINDY SANTANA, WHO IS REALLY DOING A LOT OF THE GRASSROOTS WORK.

I KNOW THAT KURT HUFFMAN IS ON HERE TONIGHT AS WELL, AND WE'RE HERE REALLY TO BACK THEM UP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY MIGHT GET STUCK WITH.

BUT I'M NOT. I'M SURE THEY WILL BE.

SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'M GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO THEM.

THANKS. HI.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

IT'S SO GOOD TO BE IN YOUR PRESENCE THIS EVENING.

I HOPE YOU'RE ALL DOING WELL.

SO, AS JULIA SHARED, WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT OUR OFFICIAL QUARTER ONE REPORT FOR ASK FOR THE 2022 TO 2023 SCHOOL YEAR.

IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE A COPY OF OUR PRESENTATION AND THE DATA REPORT.

SURE. IF THAT WILL BE SHARED ON ON THE SCREEN THERE.

WHEN I CONFIRM BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD.

YES. OKAY.

I'LL WAIT UNTIL THAT POPS UP.

PERFECT. OKAY, SO WE CAN GO OVER TO SLIDE NUMBER TWO.

SO I DO WANT TO SHARE BEFORE WE DIVE INTO INTO THESE DETAILS.

AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE LAST REPORT THAT WE DID PRESENT TO YOU ALL DID INCLUDE THE MONTH OF JULY.

WE CHOSE TO INCLUDE JULY'S CASES IN THIS QUARTERLY REPORT AS WELL IN ORDER TO REALLY JUST COURSE CORRECT AND ENSURE THAT OUR OUR REPORTS ARE APPROPRIATELY ALIGNED WITH THE SCHOOL CALENDAR YEAR.

SO THAT IS WHY YOU SEE THAT JULY IS INCLUDED IN IN THIS REPORT.

SO AT A GLANCE IN THROUGH THE BETWEEN THE MONTHS OF JULY AND SEPTEMBER, WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 987 INQUIRIES.

TO KIND OF PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, THE TOTAL ESTIMATE OF CASES THAT WE RECEIVED FOR THE 2021 TO 2022 SCHOOL YEAR, WHICH WAS OCTOBER 2021 THROUGH JULY OF 2022 WAS 714.

SO IN THE MATTER OF THREE MONTHS, WE SURPASSED THE TOTAL NUMBER THAT WE ESTIMATE ESTIMATED WE RECEIVED IN THE LAST SCHOOL YEAR. SO WE'RE DEFINITELY RECEIVING A LOT MORE IF WE GO INTO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SOME OF OUR KEY SUCCESSES FROM THIS LAST QUARTER, WE DID ADD AN ENHANCEMENT TO TAG THE SUBTOPICS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD CASES, MEANING IF IT WAS A POLICY CONCERN, A BUDGET CONCERN, SOMETHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE FINANCES OR THE SUPERINTENDENT SEARCH, WE HAVE INCLUDED THOSE SUBTOPICS RELATED TO TO THOSE CASES.

WE HAVE ALSO BEGUN TRACKING CASE CLOSURE, DURATION.

AND WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT THE THE TIME THAT IT TOOK FOR THE INITIAL RESPONSE TO BE RECEIVED FROM OUR TEAM, BUT RATHER THE TIME BETWEEN WHEN THE CASE IS RECEIVED AND WHEN IT IS OFFICIALLY CLOSED OR RESOLVED.

IF THE CASE IS REOPENED AT A FURTHER DATE, THE DURATION OR TIME IS ADDED TO THAT INITIAL DURATION TIME TRACKED.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT THAT PIECE IS CLARIFIED.

BUT WE HAVE BEGUN TRACKING THAT, WHICH STILL GIVES US A REALLY GREAT DATA POINT TO TO LOOK AT.

THE THIRD WAS THAT WE DISCUSSED CHANGES TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND SUPERINTENDENT CONTACT FORMS, AND THAT WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AT THE LAST TIME THAT WE THAT WE PRESENTED THIS REPORT TO YOU ALL.

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BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

THE NEXT SLIDE WE CONTINUE TO HIGHLIGHT HERE.

SO AGAIN, OUR AVERAGE CASE CLOSURE DURATION WAS 4.9, FOUR DAYS.

AGAIN, THIS DOES NOT EQUAL THE THE INITIAL RESPONSE TIME, BUT RATHER HOW THE THE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THE CASE TO BE CLOSED.

AND I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS AS TO WHY WE ARE SEEING THAT PARTICULAR NUMBER IN TERMS OF THE CHANNELS, WE CONTINUE TO SEE THAT A MAJORITY OF OUR CASES ARE BEING RECEIVED THROUGH EMAIL.

AND THEN THE SECOND WOULD BE WEB FORM.

FOR OUR TYPES OF OF CASES.

SO WE DO HAVE FOR JUST TO TO GROUND OURSELVES IN THIS LANGUAGE A QUESTION OR A REQUEST, MEANING IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED OR INFORMATION THAT IS BEING REQUESTED, A COMMENT REFERS TO A REMARK OR CRITICISM OR SIMPLY STATING AN OPINION, POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE FEEDBACK OR A SUGGESTION IS MORE INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED BY SOMEONE TO IMPROVE A PROCESS OR PERFORMANCE.

SO WE'RE DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN THOSE.

MOST OF THE CASES THAT WE SAW COME IN WERE QUESTIONS, AND THEN THE REMAINING WERE COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK.

IN TERMS OF TOPICS.

SO THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF CASES WERE RELATED TO TECHNOLOGY.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE WE DID START USING PARENTS WHERE WE SAW A LOT OF QUESTIONS COME IN REGARDING THE PARENTS SQUARE ACCOUNTS, POWER SCHOOL, BACK TO SCHOOL FORMS. SO THIS WAS ALL RELATED AGAIN TO THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR.

AND THEN TO KIND OF GO MORE INTO DEPTH WITH WHAT THAT MEANS, PARENTS WERE HAVING TROUBLE ACCESSING THEIR ACCOUNTS OR LOGGING IN, RESETTING PASSWORDS, OPENING STAFF ACCOUNTS, ETC..

SO WE DID SEE ALMOST HALF OF THE CASES THAT WE RECEIVED WERE RELATED TO PARENTS WHERE THE SECOND DEPARTMENT THAT SAW MOST CASES WERE COMMUNICATIONS. AND THIS WAS DUE TO SUBTOPICS SUCH AS WEBSITE FEEDBACK, THE STAFF DIRECTORY AND CALENDARS ON THE WEBSITE, AS WELL AS THE SCAM AND PHISHING EMAIL ATTEMPT THAT WE DID SEE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE OR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER.

NEXT, WE HAD STUDENT SERVICES AND EQUITY AND THESE CASES WERE MOSTLY RELATED TO ENROLLMENT OR DISENROLLMENT OR STUDENT AND OR PROGRAM TRANSFERS. NEXT WAS THE SCHOOL BOARD.

WE DID SEE A LOT OF CASES COME IN REGARDING THE SUPERINTENDENT SEARCH THE GRADING POLICY AS WELL AS CONCERNS FOR OVERCROWDING.

AND LASTLY, BUILDING OPERATIONS.

THEY SAW CASES COME IN REGARDING BUS TRANSPORTATION OR MAINTENANCE REQUESTS.

NEXT IS THE ACP RELATIONSHIP.

SO MOST OF THE CASES THAT WE RECEIVED WERE FROM PARENTS IN BETWEEN JULY AND SEPTEMBER, FOLLOWED BY STAFF.

IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL SEE.

IN COMPARISON TO LAST QUARTER, WE DID SEE MOSTLY FORMER STAFF ALUMNI, OTHERS THAT MAYBE WERE UNKNOWN COME IN AT THE HIGHEST, FOLLOWED BY PARENTS.

SO THERE WAS A SHIFT THERE.

THE THE THE RISE OF THOSE CASES IN TERMS OF HOW WHY WE'RE SEEING MORE PARENTS IS RELATED TO THE FACT THAT WE HAD A LOT MORE INQUIRIES REGARDING PARENTS WHERE BACK TO SCHOOL PROCESSES, ETC..

SO THIS DEFINITELY TRACKS WITH WITH WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING.

NEXT SLIDE. SO IN TERMS OF LANGUAGES, MOST OF THE CASES WE ARE RECEIVING ARE IN ENGLISH.

IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IN COMPARISON TO LAST QUARTER, WE'RE SEEING THE SAME HERE TO KIND OF BREAK THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE IN COURT OR FOUR OF THE LAST SCHOOL YEAR, WE SAW 3% OF OUR CASES COME IN IN SPANISH, WHICH EQUATED TO NINE TOTAL CASES THIS LAST QUARTER. QUARTER ONE, WE SAW 4.2% IN IN TERMS OF AN ACCURATE NUMBER, WE SAW 40 TOTAL CASES.

SO THERE HAS BEEN A MAJOR RISE IN CASES THAT WE'RE RECEIVING IN SPANISH, WHICH IS IS GREAT.

I THINK THAT BEING ABLE TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO MANY FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES, IS WONDERFUL.

SO IT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT TO SEE THAT NUMBER RISE.

NEXT FOUR RESPONSE SOURCES.

SO WE SAW SIMILAR NUMBERS ACROSS THE WEBSITE.

BEING REFERRED OR HAVING CONSULTATIONS AND OTHER RESPONSE SOURCES.

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SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE HERE.

AND SO ONCE AGAIN, FOLKS ARE ARE IN THE LESSER PART OF THIS.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S REALLY GREAT TO SEE THAT THE WEBSITE IS A RELIABLE SOURCE FOR THAT.

AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PARTNER WITH DEPARTMENTS AND LEADERSHIP TO GET A LOT OF THESE CASES RESOLVED.

FINALLY HERE IN TERMS OF THE DEPARTMENT OR SCHOOL.

SO AGAIN, ABOUT 80% OF INQUIRIES THAT WE RECEIVED WERE RELATED TO GENERAL AND OR DIVISION WIDE ISSUES OR CONCERNS.

THIS IS AN INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS REPORT.

AND SO BETWEEN THAT AND CASES RELATED TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST SEEING THAT THERE IS A MAJORITY OF OF THESE INQUIRIES COMING IN THAT ARE ARE REALLY RELATED TO GENERAL CONCERNS HERE.

SO TO SUMMARIZE, EMAIL CONTINUES TO BE THAT TOP USED METHOD OF COMMUNICATING.

85% OF THE INQUIRIES THAT WE RECEIVED WERE QUESTIONS REMAINING, BEING COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK.

THE INCREASE IN CASES RECEIVED, ESPECIALLY IN AUGUST, WERE RELATED TO TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT POWER, SCHOOL AND PARENT SQUARE.

SO DUE TO THAT VOLUME AND ADDITIONAL TROUBLESHOOTING THAT WAS NEEDED FOR CASES RELATED TO THOSE THAT DURATION, FOR THE CASE TO BE CLOSED AND TO BE FULLY RESOLVED WAS AVERAGE A BIT HIGHER THAN THAN NORMAL.

AND FINALLY, AGAIN, MOST INQUIRIES RECEIVED WERE RELATED TO TO GENERAL CONCERNS.

MOVING ON SPECIFICALLY TO THE BOARD RELATED CASES.

SO HERE YOU WILL SEE THAT IN COMPARISON TO THE GENERAL INQUIRIES THAT WE RECEIVED, ONLY SEVEN POINT SORRY, 7.5% OF THOSE CASES WERE DIRECTED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, MEANING THEY WERE SENT TO BOARD AT ASPS OR WERE SENT THROUGH THE BOARD CONTACT FORM. TO BREAK THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WE SAW 21 CASES IN JULY, 24 IN AUGUST AND 29 IN SEPTEMBER.

MOST OF THESE INQUIRIES WERE RELATED TO THE INTERIM SUPERINTENDENT SEARCH, WHICH CAME IN AT 18 CASES.

THE GRADING POLICY THAT THERE WERE SEVEN CASES THERE CONCERNS FOR CLASSROOM OVERCROWDING.

WE SAW SEVEN CASES OF RELATED TO THAT AND THE RESPONSE TO GOVERNOR JENKINS POLICY AFFECTING TRANSGENDER STUDENTS.

WE SAW FOUR INQUIRIES COME IN.

WE DID ALSO RECEIVE 11 INQUIRIES RELATED TO LUNCH AND LEARN, WHICH IS NOW BEING REFERRED TO TIGHTEN LUNCH AT THE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.

BUT BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY NAME THEM AS ONE OF THE TOP TOPICS.

HOWEVER, WE DID WANT TO MAKE A NOTE THAT THOSE CASES WERE ALSO RECEIVED AND DIRECTED TO THE BOARD.

SO HERE WE HAVE A BIT OF THIS BREAKDOWN IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL SUBTOPICS RELATED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

MOST OF THE CASES REALLY WERE RELATED TO POLICY.

AND THEN THE OTHER WAS SUPERINTENDENT LEADERSHIP.

SO AGAIN, RELATED TO THE GRADING POLICY AND THE SUPERINTENDENT SEARCH.

THE REASON FOR WHY WE'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING TAGGED UNDER STRATEGIC PLAN OR BUDGET, THEY'RE MAINLY TO TWO SUSPECTED REASONS.

ONE IS THAT BUDGET DISCUSSIONS DID BEGIN IN OCTOBER, AND BECAUSE THERE IS A PRETTY CLEAR MECHANISM FOR HOW THE PUBLIC CAN SHARE COMMENTS AND TESTIMONY, WE DIDN'T SEE A NUMBER OF CASES COME IN FOR THAT.

AND IN TERMS OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN QUESTIONS, THOSE WERE MOSTLY SENT DIRECTLY TO ASK A CPS OR THROUGH THE SUPERINTENDENT FORM.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY TAGGED UNDER THE SCHOOL BOARD RIGHT NOW.

AND THE OTHER THING I DID WANT TO NOTE IS THAT WE HAD BEEN MANUALLY TAGGING SCHOOL BOARD SUBTOPICS UP UNTIL OCTOBER WHEN OUR TEAM FULLY IMPLEMENTED TRACKING THOSE, THOSE SUBTOPICS.

SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE KIND OF OUR SUSPECTED REASONS.

WE DEFINITELY EXPECT IN THE NEXT REPORT TO HAVE A MORE THOROUGH LOOK AT WHAT THIS BREAKDOWN IS IN TERMS OF THE TOPICS RELATED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. SO IN TERMS OF OUR PERFORMANCE SUMMARY, SO WE FEEL VERY, VERY CONFIDENT AND HAPPY WITH THE SYSTEM.

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THE ENHANCEMENTS TO THE PLATFORM THIS THIS LAST QUARTER DID INCLUDE AGAIN MEASURING THOSE AVERAGE CASE CLOSURE TIMES REPORTING INQUIRIES THAT WE ARE RECEIVING VIA SOCIAL MEDIA, WHICH ARE VERY RARE.

BUT WE DO WANT TO TRACK THOSE ADDING AND MEASURING SUBTOPICS RELATED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AS WELL AS DISCUSSING THOSE CHANGES TO THE SUPERINTENDENT AND SCHOOL BOARD CONTACT FORMS. AND OUR TEAM CONTINUES TO EXPLORE WAYS TO FURTHER ENHANCE THE SYSTEM.

SOME THAT ARE IN PROGRESS THAT I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT INCLUDE ADDRESSING THE INFLUX OF SPAM INQUIRIES THAT WE'RE RECEIVING THROUGH THE WEB FORM.

WE HAVE SEEN A VERY HIGH NUMBER OF THAT DEVELOPING AND INPUTTING TEMPLATES DIRECTLY INTO THE SYSTEM FOR THE USE OF MANY JUST GENERAL INQUIRIES THAT WE RECEIVE, SUCH AS ENROLLMENT OR REQUESTING OF OF RECORDS, HOW TO VOLUNTEER, HOW TO DONATE.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON ON CREATING THOSE TEMPLATES AND ACTUALLY INPUTTING THEM, SO IT MAKES THE PROCESS A LOT SMOOTHER.

AND FINALLY, JUST CONTINUING TO IDENTIFY ANY ADDITIONAL MARKERS OR TAGS TO USE FOR CASES AS WE'RE SEEKING A LOT MORE DETAILED INFORMATION.

THE OTHER THING I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT OUR TEAM HAS DEVELOPED AN UPDATED AND UPDATED AND ACCESSIBLE RESOURCE FOR FAMILIES TO REFERENCE.

IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS YET, THIS IS THE UPDATED CONCERNS, INQUIRIES AND SUGGESTIONS INFOGRAPHIC.

THE VERSION OF THIS IN FLIERS HAVE BEEN SENT OUT TO SCHOOLS AND POSTERS WILL ALSO BE ROLLING OUT TO SCHOOLS IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. SO AGAIN, OUR TEAM CONTINUES TO FEEL REALLY CONFIDENT IN WHAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH UP TO THIS POINT.

LOOKING AHEAD.

SO WE ARE OBVIOUSLY PRESENTING THE SECOND QUARTERLY REPORT TO YOU ALL.

WE ARE WORKING ON FINALIZING AND ASK ACP EXPERIENCE SURVEY THAT WE HOPE TO ROLL OUT IN JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR, WHICH WILL GIVE US A LOT MORE INFORMATION AND INSIGHT FROM USERS THEMSELVES, FAMILIES THEMSELVES, STAFF STUDENTS ON THEIR EXPERIENCE USING ASCS, WHICH WE DO PLAN ON SHARING AS A PART OF OUR THIRD QUARTER QUARTERLY REPORT TO YOU ALL IN FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR.

FINALLY, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A REALLY MAJOR AND EXCITING OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH THROUGH THE CREATION OF MORE DETAILED FAQS AND SOME ROBUST RESOURCE GUIDES.

SO OUR OUR TEAM IS WORKING ON THOSE AND PLAN TO COMPLETE THOSE BY THE END OF MARCH 2023.

SO WE'RE EXCITED FOR THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN FINALLY AGAIN, MONTHLY REPORTS CONTINUE TO BE SHARED WITH OUR SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY RELATIONS TEAM.

AND THEN THE NEXT ASK US REPORT TO YOU ALL WILL BE SHARED FEBRUARY 16TH, 2023.

AND THAT WILL COVER THE MONTH OF OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU ALL NOW.

BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS.

MR. AL NEWBY. GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR THE GREAT WORK ON THIS.

I THINK IT'S VERY ENCOURAGING.

ESPECIALLY WHEN I SEE THE AVERAGE CASE CLOSURE DURATION.

AND MY QUESTION IS RELATED TO THAT.

DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE ISSUES AND COMPLAINTS COMING TO THE BOARD AT ASPS, OR IS THAT NUMBER JUST ASK AT ASPS? IT DOES INCLUDE THAT.

WE DID NOT FOR THIS REPORT, SEPARATE THE TWO OR LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT AVERAGE CASE CLOSURE DURATION.

SO I'M MAKING A MENTAL NOTE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO SEE THAT, BUT THAT DOES INCLUDE THE SCHOOL BOARD CASES.

OKAY. NOW, THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALSO TRACKING BOARD AT ASPS.

SO YOU ARE RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WE'RE TRACKING IT FOR THE ONES THAT ARE FORWARDED TO ASK ACPS.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

ALL EMAILS THAT GO TO BOARD AT ACPS DO NOT COME TO ASK.

RIGHT. MAKES SENSE. YEP.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, DR.

REEF. I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK IT'S IT'S REALLY WONDERFUL.

AND JUST ANECDOTALLY, I FEEL LIKE OUR NUMBER OF BOARD EMAILS WE'VE RECEIVED HAS DEFINITELY DECLINED OVER THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD.

SO I THINK FOLKS ARE FINDING THE RIGHT CHANNELS TO GET THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

MY QUESTION WAS ALSO RELATED TO THE AVERAGE CLOSURE DURATION.

I HAD ASKED ABOUT THIS I THINK THE LAST TIME WE TALKED.

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AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ON TOP OF IN CASES.

WE'LL STAY THERE UNTIL WE FIGURE THAT OUT OR WILL MARK IT AS UNRESOLVED.

BUT THAT IS YES, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WE'RE KEEPING TRACK OF.

THAT'S. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU.

MS.. GREENE. THANK YOU, CHARLESTON.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ASK ACPS TEAM.

WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE HOW THIS GROWS FROM QUARTER TO QUARTER.

MY QUESTION IS ACTUALLY A TAG ON TO DR.

REEVES. WITH THE CASE CLOSURES, HAVE WE SET A GOAL FOR THAT OR MOVING FORWARD? WILL THERE BE A GOAL SET FOR CASE CLOSURE? WE HAVE NOT NECESSARILY SET A GOAL FOR THAT, BUT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE IN OUR AUTO RESPONSE, WHEN SOMEONE EMAILS ASK AT ACP, WE SAY THAT SOMEONE WILL GET BACK TO THEM IN 2 TO 3 DAYS OR 24 TO 48 HOURS.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ON TOP OF.

BUT WE HAVE NOT SET A GOAL AS OF RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE FOR A CASE TO BE FULLY RESOLVED.

SO POTENTIALLY SOMETHING COULD STAY OPEN A WEEK, TWO WEEKS.

AND SO WE HAVE FULL ANSWERS TO THAT.

IS THAT PERSON NOTIFIED THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT OR JUST HOW DOES THAT WORK? YES. YES. SO WE LET THEM KNOW IF A STAFF MEMBER IS OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET BACK TO THEM UNTIL THE FOLLOWING WEEK.

WE LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY ARE OUT AND THEY'LL GET BACK TO THEM.

OR, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE HOLD THOSE CASES AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A WAY TO TAG THEM THAT THEY'RE ON HOLD.

AND I WILL USUALLY GO BACK AND RESPOND TO THEM AND SAY IT'S TAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU, ETC..

SO WE DO AT LEAST TRY TO KEEP UP WITH THAT COMMUNICATION TO INFORM THEM THAT WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT THEM.

RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

MARY, THANK YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS.

SO APPRECIATE THIS WORK AND WE'LL KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

[2. FY 2024-2033 Capital Improvement Program (CIP) Add/Delete Work Session #1]

BOOS. JUST CALLED IT SAUSAGE MAKING.

BUT YEAH, SO.

WE ACTUALLY, ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT EACH OF THESE ITEMS THIS EVENING.

I DID PROMISE DR.

REEF THAT WHAT I WOULD DO IS HAVE EACH PERSON WHO SUBMITTED AN ADD OR DELETE, JUST EXPLAIN BEFORE THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION.

SO IF YOU HAVE AN ADD OR DELETE, WE'LL JUST ASK FOR A BRIEF EXPLANATION BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE ITEM. BEFORE I GET GOING, THOUGH, MR. TURNER, DO YOU NEED ME TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? BECAUSE I KNOW HOW YOU ARE.

NO, MA'AM. YOU GOT TO SQUARED AWAY.

ALL RIGHT, GREAT.

ALL RIGHT, SO, DR.

REEF, YOU HAVE THE FIRST.

YOU HAVE A COMMENT HERE, SO.

BUT GO RIGHT AHEAD. IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU.

MADAM CHAIR, COULD WE TALK ABOUT THE K TO EIGHT ANALYSIS? ME, TOO. FIRST, BEFORE BEFORE YOU GO TO THE COMMENT.

YEAH. OKAY, GO AHEAD.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE.

YES. SO.

YEAH. SO LET ME SEE.

I CAN'T REALLY READ THE PAPER IN FRONT OF ME BECAUSE THE TEXT IS SO TINY, BUT.

SO THIS WAS THIS WAS AN AD TO CONDUCT AN ANALYSIS OF THE KEY TO EIGHT MODEL AS IMPLEMENTED IN ACP AND TO INCLUDE STAFF AND FAMILY FOCUS GROUPS.

AND THE REASON THAT I PUT THIS IN HERE, I HAD SHARED IN THE PROGRAMMATIC IMPACT.

IF ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC IS LISTENING AND WANTS TO PULL UP THE DOCUMENT, SOME INFORMATION THAT THE BOARD HAD RECEIVED IN YEARS PAST.

ONE WAS THE ANALYSIS OF ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY GRADE SPAN CONFIGURATIONS FROM 2017.

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AND I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS, ANECDOTALLY, I FEEL LIKE I'VE HEARD MORE CONCERNS ABOUT THE K TO EIGHT MODEL AND HOW IT'S WORKING VERSUS JUST LOTS OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM IT.

AND THEN IN ON MAY 15, 2020, WE RECEIVED A BOARD BRIEF THAT JUST KIND OF OUTLINED.

IT WAS WHEN WE WERE GETTING THE ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS AND IT WAS OUTLINING SOME OF THE LOGISTICAL CHALLENGES OF OPERATING THE K TO EIGHT SCHOOLS AND THEN THE PANDEMIC HIT.

SO WE WERE OUT OF THE SCHOOLS FOR A WHILE.

BUT I KNOW WE'RE BACK NOW AND KNOW PATRICK HENRY IS ONE OF OUR SCHOOLS WHERE WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME CROWDING, CROWDED CONDITIONS.

AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF MAYBE TO KICK THIS OFF, IF IF STAFF COULD PROVIDE LIKE AN OVERVIEW OF, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF LIKE AN UPDATE FROM THAT THAT BRIEF FROM 2020, LIKE HOW IF THERE ARE CONTINUING LOGISTICAL CHALLENGES, LIKE WHAT THOSE ARE.

SO WE COULD JUST KIND OF GET AN UPDATE ON THAT.

THAT'S OKAY. DR.

K-Y, ARE YOU OKAY IF I JUMP IN? SURE. GO AHEAD.

OK. AND SO JUST RELATED TO THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY IN THAT BRIEF, BUT IN GENERAL, WE STILL EXPERIENCE THOSE JUST FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE AND OPERATIONALLY.

IT IS DIFFICULT TO RUN K AIDS AT THE SCALE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING THEM.

CERTAINLY THERE IS THERE IS A WAY TO DO THEM SUCCESSFULLY, BUT JUST FROM A OPERATIONAL AND COST PERSPECTIVE, WE SPEND AND MR. TURNER CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THIS AS WELL.

BUT FROM THE FACILITIES PERSPECTIVE, THE BUILDING CAN'T BE USED AS EFFICIENTLY AS IT COULD IF IT WERE A FULL ELEMENTARY PER SE OR FULL MIDDLE SCHOOL, JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CLASSROOMS ARE COORDINATED, THE WAY THE SCHEDULE WORKS, A LOT OF IN THE CASE OF JEFFERSON, HOUSTON AND PATRICK HENRY, WHERE I THINK COMBINED WE HAVE ABOUT 400 TO 500 STUDENTS IN WITHIN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

GRADES IN THOSE TWO SCHOOLS COULD BE ABSORBED IN CURRENT STAFFING AND CURRENT SPACE AT FRANCES HAMMOND AND GEORGE WASHINGTON WITHOUT HAVING THEM CURRENTLY THERE.

CERTAINLY OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS ARE OVERCROWDED, SO IT WOULD IT WOULD INCREASE THAT.

BUT JUST BASED ON HOW THOSE ARE FUNCTIONING, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT.

I KNOW MR. TURNER HAS PROBABLY HAS SOMETHING TO SAY RELATED TO THE STAFFING.

SO IF HE WANTS TO JUMP IN.

YES. WHEN IT COMES TO THE STAFFING OF BOTH OF OUR K-8 SCHOOLS, MS..

GULICK SAID, IF YOU WERE TO MOVE THOSE STUDENTS INTO THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS, THEN THAT COULD BE ABSORBED INTO THE LARGER MIDDLE SCHOOLS WITHOUT THE STAFFING AT THOSE K-8.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS FUNDING THAT THEN COULD PUT THOSE STAFFING IN OTHER AREAS OF.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO.

YEAH, JUST. I MEAN, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF, LIKE, MAKE SURE, LIKE EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING.

AND I AND I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT AD I PUT IN WAS ABOUT 1703 BEAUREGARD BUT JUST.

I THINK THAT THE ANALYSIS THAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST IS REALLY HELPFUL.

BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO ALSO GET FEEDBACK FROM STAFF AND FAMILIES ABOUT HOW IT'S GOING.

I KNOW MAKING A CHANGE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE TRY TO MOVE BACK TO A K TO FIVE MODEL THERE, YOU KNOW THAT THAT THAT CAN BE CHALLENGING BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW.

AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPREHENSIVE KIND OF ANALYSIS ABOUT ABOUT THE MODEL THAT WE COULD USE TO INFORM FUTURE DECISION MAKING.

SO THAT WAS MY ADD, AND I'M HAPPY TO, I DON'T KNOW, HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THINK ABOUT THAT.

THANKS. ALL RIGHT, SO WHY DON'T WE.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE ESSENTIALLY WE'VE HEARD ABOUT MIR TWO.

AND OBVIOUSLY, THE DELETE IS RELATED TO THAT.

SO DO YOU WANT TO GO INTO MIR ONE? SURE. SO.

SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF, ALDERSON.

BUT THIS ONE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I KIND OF BROUGHT SOME OF THIS UP AT A PREVIOUS MEETING.

BUT I KNOW IT'S IT'S LIKE A LOT OF INFORMATION.

SO WE WE PURCHASED 1703 BEAUREGARD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO USE A SWING SPACE FOR GEORGE MASON AND CORA KELLY.

AND I THINK THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT DECISION BECAUSE THAT BUILDING WAS AVAILABLE.

WE NEEDED IT.

AND EVEN BETTER, IT'S CONTIGUOUS WITH EXISTING PROPERTY, SO IT GIVES US FLEXIBILITY LONG TERM IN THE FUTURE WITH THAT SPACE.

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AND I HAD JUST RAISED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.

AND HERE'S MY CONCERN JUST TO KIND OF REMIND YOU AGAIN.

SO IT'S WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING IT AS A 600 PERSON MIDDLE SCHOOL.

SO IT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY SMALL, WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT AS COMPREHENSIVE.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN THERE'S FEWER STUDENTS, THERE ARE LESS SORT OF ELECTIVE COURSE OFFERINGS, WORLD LANGUAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO OFFER, WHICH IS ONE OF THE PIECES OF FEEDBACK I'VE HEARD FROM STUDENTS IN THE K TO EIGHT SCHOOL THAT THEY ARE LIMITED IN WHAT THEIR COURSE SELECTION AND ACTIVITIES AND THINGS ARE.

THERE'S VERY LIMITED RECREATIONAL SPACE ON THAT SITE RIGHT NOW.

ALSO, WE'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHO'S GOING TO BE ZONED FOR THAT SCHOOL.

AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE REQUESTS FOR PROGRAMMATIC TRANSFERS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE MIDDLE SCHOOLS AS WE DO RIGHT NOW FOR THE K TO EIGHT SCHOOLS.

AND SO AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, IF ENROLLMENT CONTINUES TO GROW, LIKE WILL WE BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUED GROWTH? SO IN OUR MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THE JOINT FACILITIES PLANNING, THIS ISSUE KIND OF CAME UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE PLANNING OUR CIP PROJECTS, WE'RE OFTEN THINKING ABOUT LIKE HOW MANY SEATS DO WE NEED, HOW MANY KIDS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AND HOW MANY SEATS DO WE NEED? BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S DESIRABLE FROM A PROGRAMING STANDPOINT.

AND I THINK IF WE AND I'M NOT NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THIS, BUT IF WE KIND OF FLIP IT A LITTLE BIT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT IS WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FROM AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMING STANDPOINT AND HOW CAN WE TAKE WHAT WE HAVE, THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY MEET THAT.

AND I THINK THIS WAS AGAIN, THIS WAS KIND OF SOMETHING THAT CAME UP WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE LOOK AT THE THE FACILITIES, THE SCHOOLS AND THE CITY OWN. WE CAN DO EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE EXISTING SPACE.

SO I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE DETERMINING THAT 1703 SHOULD BE A MIDDLE SCHOOL? HOW ARE WE EVALUATING IF THAT'S THE BEST DECISION? AND CAN WE EXPLORE SOME OTHER POSSIBILITIES? AND ONE POSSIBILITY I WAS SUGGESTING AND THROWING OUT THERE WAS JUST MENTIONING THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW 400 STUDENTS, APPROXIMATELY 400 STUDENTS, MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS AT OUR K TO EIGHT SCHOOLS.

IF WE COMBINE THOSE 400 STUDENTS WITH THE 600 MIDDLE SCHOOL SPACES WE'RE TRYING TO ADD AT THE 1703 BURGER.

THAT'S 1000 STUDENTS.

THAT'S A COMPREHENSIVE MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT'S THE SIZE OF A COMPREHENSIVE MIDDLE SCHOOL IF WE WERE TO.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOL MODERNIZATIONS IN THE PIPELINE.

IF WE WERE TO CONVERT THE K TO EIGHT SCHOOLS BACK TO K TO FIVE THOSE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE MORE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ENROLLMENT IN OUR EXISTING SCHOOLS.

AND THEN PERHAPS ONE OF OUR SCHOOLS IN THE MODERNIZATION PIPELINE, PARTICULARLY SOME OF OUR SMALLER SCHOOLS THAT HAVE APPROXIMATELY 400 STUDENTS.

WE COULD USE THAT LAND TO BUILD A COMPREHENSIVE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

SO I JUST WANT US TO THINK THROUGH SOME I'M WONDERING, LIKE, HOW CAN WE THINK THROUGH OTHER POSSIBILITIES BESIDES, LIKE WE NEED 600 SEATS AND WE HAVE THE SCHOOL, AND SO LET'S JUST MAKE IT A MIDDLE SCHOOL.

SO THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT PROCESS AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR, I DON'T KNOW ANY STAFF FEEDBACK, BUT LIKE, HOW HOW ARE WE GOING TO EVALUATE IF THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE AND HOW WITH THE DESIGN TIMELINE, LIKE HOW CRITICAL AND HOW QUICKLY DOES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN? SCHOOL IS SHORT.

SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT YOU ARE CORRECT IN THAT THE 600 STUDENT MIDDLE SCHOOL IS REALLY PROPOSED BECAUSE WE'VE KIND OF ADDRESSED THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CAPACITY.

I THINK ORIGINALLY THE THOUGHT BEHIND MAKING 17 03A MIDDLE SCHOOL WAS THAT IT WOULD MAYBE HAVE SOME PROGRAMMATIC ELEMENT OR OR TIE IN TO THE TWO STEM SCHOOLS.

AND SO THAT'S.

AS FERDINAND DE IS RIGHT THERE.

AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME SOME CLEAR SYNERGY AND BEING ABLE TO DO THAT AS FAR AS PROPOSING A THIRD MIDDLE SCHOOL AT ONE OF THE UPCOMING ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL MODERNIZATIONS, THAT WOULD THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE EXPLORE AS PART OF AN ALTERNATE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR EITHER GEORGE MASON OR COR KELLY OR IF IT'S MAYBE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AFTER THAT THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO IF IT WERE IN THE CASE FOR.

FOR GEORGE MASON. AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE STARTING THAT DESIGN NEXT FALL.

SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT PRETTY QUICKLY TO SEE IF THAT WAS A SOLUTION THAT WE'D WANT TO LOOK AT BUT CERTAINLY WOULD BE FEASIBLE AND WE WOULD JUST

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WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE IN.

SO ADDITIONALLY, THE DESIGN FOR 1703 AND A ZOO CAN JUMP IN FOR THIS TOO.

THERE'S SOME CONSIDERATIONS WITH THE LONG TERM USE OF THE BUILDING AND HOW WE'RE USING IT AS A SWING SPACE.

AND SO IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THERE.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ED THE ED SPEC FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL WHEN WE'RE DESIGNING THIS BUILDING.

SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT THOUGHT THERE.

OUR DESIGN IS STARTING RIGHT NOW FOR SOMETHING.

SO JUST ANOTHER ELEMENT TO CONSIDER.

I THINK THOSE DECISIONS ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE HAVE TO BE MADE PRETTY QUICKLY, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT THE SIP LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PROPOSED.

SO THE TEAM IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO SOME WORK, ADDITIONAL WORK ON THAT.

JUST TO JUST TO KIND OF WRAP UP, IF THAT'S OKAY.

YEAH. SO THE AD, IF YOU WILL, IT WAS JUST A COMMENT TO JUST CHANGE IT TO FUTURE SCHOOL VERSUS LIKE FUTURE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

SO WE COULD JUST MAYBE THINK THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK IF WE'RE ALREADY IN THE DESIGN PROCESS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE BECAUSE WE'RE USING IT AS A SWING SPACE FOR ELEMENTARY AND THEN WE WANT TO MAKE IT MIDDLE SCHOOL, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO IT.

I DO THINK THAT THERE'S ALSO I KNOW I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT CAPACITY FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL.

AND I THINK THAT THAT BUILDING COULD BE AN IDEAL SPOT FOR SOME EXPANDED HIGH SCHOOL PROGRAMING AS WELL.

SO I'M GOING TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THAT ONE WAS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

MAY I JUST ADD ONE MORE ADDITIONAL THING, MADAM CHAIR? YES. WELL, I HEARD THE MENTION OF STEM AND SPECIALIZED IN CERTAIN SCHOOLS.

REMEMBER, WE ARE TRYING TO EXTEND THE STEM AND SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMING THROUGH ALL SCHOOLS.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS WELL, SO THAT ALL STUDENTS WILL HAVE ACCESS TO STEM RELATED PROGRAMING.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO PAUSE.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. TURNER. MR. TURNER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO SORT OF OUR THUMBS UP EXERCISE AS WE GO? YES, MA'AM. IF THIS IS THE AD THAT YOU WANT TO DO, IF YOU COULD DO THE THUMBS UP TO LET US KNOW.

OR IF YOU DON'T WANT IT, THE THUMBS DOWN JUST SO I CAN KEEP TRACK FOR HOW THE BUDGET WILL GO.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE FIRST THREE AND EVERYONE.

ARE YOU READY? ALL RIGHT, SO FOUR MORE.

ONE. HOW MANY THUMBS UP DO WE HAVE FOR.

ONE. WELL, IT'S NOT.

ALL RIGHT. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SEVEN THUMBS UP FOR ONE.

DO YOU WANT THUMBS DOWN, MR. TURNER, OR DOES IT MATTER? NO, I THINK I CAN HANDLE THE MATH THERE.

APPRECIATE. AND.

OKAY? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE AN AD FOR IMR TO CONDUCT AN ANALYSIS OF AK8 MODEL.

UM, DO WE HAVE THUMBS UP FOR THAT? AND IF SO, HOW MANY? ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE FIVE THUMBS UP.

ALL RIGHT. IN DOING THAT, THERE IS A $20,000 PROPOSED DELETE TO USE FUNDS FROM SYSTEM WIDE SYSTEM WIDE PROJECT PLANNING TO CONDUCT THAT ANALYSIS.

SO DO WE HAVE THUMBS UP FOR THAT? AND IF STAFF WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT.

DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, MR. TURNER OR.

MS.. LOOK, I'M SORRY.

SURE. THANKS. SO THE WE WOULD NEED TO CONFIRM THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD BE USED FOR IT.

I WILL ALSO WANT TO JUST OFFER THAT THE I DON'T THINK $20,000 IS GOING TO GET THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS LOOKING FOR IN THIS ANALYSIS, ESPECIALLY FOR TALKING ABOUT INVOLVING STAFF AND FAMILIES AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S THOROUGH AND WE'RE REALLY TAKING A LOOK AT THINGS.

SO WE WOULD LIKELY PUT OUT AN RFP, HIRE AN EXTERNAL CONSULTANT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT IT WILL LIKELY COST MORE THAN THAT.

I WOULD ALSO OFFER AND DR.

RIEF, CORRECT ME IF I'M MISUNDERSTANDING, BUT IT SEEMED YOU WERE SAYING USE PROJECT PLANNING DOLLARS FOR THIS WORK, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE SO WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY TAKE IT AS

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WE WOULD JUST PRIORITIZE THE MOST A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS WE HAVE IN PROJECT PLANNING MONEY FOR THAT PURPOSE.

HOWEVER, MR. TURNER DO USE.

YOU STILL NEED SOME KIND OF SOMETHING FOR THAT, RIGHT? MR. TURNER. SO WHAT I WOULD NEED IS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO, YOU CAN GIVE A THUMBS UP FOR THAT.

I THINK WHAT ERIC HAS SAID IS WITH THIS COSTING MORE THAN 20,000 TO DELETE, THAT IS THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH FOR IT.

SO THIS IS JUST A PRIORITY OF THE SCHOOL BOARD TO HAVE THIS DONE THAT CAN BE DIRECTED TO STAFF.

AND AS ERICA SAID, THE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR PROJECT PLANNING CAN BE PRIORITIZED TO GET THIS DONE.

ALL RIGHT. SO, AGAIN, I'M GOING WITH.

ALL RIGHT. SO I STILL WE STILL HE NEEDS NUMBERS.

SO FOR ME, THREE THUMBS UP.

WE HAVE. SO WE HAVE TO DOCUMENT WHETHER WE WANT TO DO THIS, WHAT MICHELLE HAS PUT DOWN OR NOT.

SO EXACTLY HOW IT'S WRITTEN.

YES. WITH DOMINIC SAID DOMINIC AND ERICA ARE TRYING TO TELL US THAT THIS IS NOT NECESSARY.

SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE THUMBS DOWN.

SO THUMBS UP ARE ALWAYS AN ISSUE.

THUMBS UP R ZERO, MR. TURNER. SO THAT MEANS WE HAVE NINE THUMBS DOWN.

OKAY. DR. REEF NUMBER FOUR.

I'M SORRY. SORRY.

GO AHEAD. BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

SO THERE ARE SEVERAL AS WE GO THROUGH AD DELETES.

THERE ARE SEVERAL ADS IN HERE THAT ARE PROPOSED USING PROJECT PLANNING DOLLARS.

SO WE'LL NEED TO BE CLEAR ON PRIORITY BECAUSE IT MAY BE THAT WE END UP EXCEEDING THAT HALF A MILLION WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S PROPOSED.

SO AT THE END WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH THESE AGAIN AND JUST BE CLEAR ON WHAT THAT PRIORITY IS.

OKAY. TALK TO M.R.

FOR OKAY.

SO M R FOR WAS CONDUCTING A NEEDS ANALYSIS FOR ATHLETICS AND OTHER STUDENT ACTIVITIES AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS TO INCLUDE STAFF AND FAMILY FOCUS GROUPS. SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT OVER THE YEARS FROM, FROM, FROM FAMILIES CONCERNS ABOUT OUR ATHLETICS AND ACTIVITIES PROGRAMS BEING UNDER RESOURCE.

I THINK THERE'S A SENSE THERE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UNTAPPED POTENTIAL.

I GUESS WE HAVE VERY TALENTED STUDENTS.

WE HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST HIGH SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.

AND I THINK IN ADDITION TO THAT, COMING OFF OF THE PANDEMIC WITH ALL OF THE THE ADOLESCENT MENTAL HEALTH CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, ATHLETICS AND ACTIVITIES AND I CAN SPEAK FROM THIS PERSONALLY AS A PARENT, IT CAN REALLY POWERFULLY IMPACT STUDENT WELLNESS.

I MEAN, IT REALLY IS REALLY IT CAN BE REALLY CRITICAL AND IT CAN REALLY TURN THINGS AROUND FOR STUDENTS.

SO AND WE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS ADVOCATING IN A MORE ORGANIZED FASHION FOR THIS RECENTLY.

SO I THINK IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO ASK, YOU KNOW, JUST OUR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR TO DO WITH EVERYTHING ELSE I KNOW THAT HE HAS ON HIS PLATE OR, YOU KNOW, TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE REALLY LOOK AT THIS.

AND I WAS PROPOSING SOMETHING, AN ANALYSIS WHERE THE SCOPE WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE PERSONNEL.

ARE WE ADEQUATELY RESOURCED, FOR EXAMPLE, DO WE HAVE ADEQUATE NUMBER OF TRAINERS? I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD COME UP FROM FAMILIES, THE FACILITIES, ARE WE MEETING OUR ONGOING MAINTENANCE? I KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT, LIKE OUR PLAYGROUND ASSESSMENT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, LIKE BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE FACILITIES FROM AN ATHLETICS AND ACTIVITIES PROGRAMING STANDPOINT, EQUIPMENT, I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT CONCERNS AROUND THE EQUIPMENT, LIKE WHAT KIND OF REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE IT SHOULD BE ON, WHICH IS ALSO RELATED TO THE SAFETY CONCERNS AND THEN JUST OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND PROGRAMING.

SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO CAPTURE IN JUST GETTING AN ANALYSIS ON OUR ATHLETICS AND ACTIVITIES PROGRAMING FOR SECONDARY STUDENTS.

OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A STAFF RESPONSE TO THAT? SO, DR.

HART, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS, BUT I KNOW THE TEAM IS HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH ATHLETICS AND TEACHING, LEARNING AND LEADERSHIP ABOUT ANY POTENTIAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT.

I WOULD NOTE THAT PERSONAL, LIKE INDIVIDUAL EQUIPMENT FOR SPORTS IS NOT PAID FOR OUT OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET AS WELL AS THE AMOUNT OF TRAINERS OR STAFFING

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BUT AS FAR AS ANALYZING THE FACILITIES OR EQUIPMENT SUCH AS BASKETBALL HOOPS, GOALS, THINGS THAT CAPITAL THE CAPITAL BUDGET WOULD DO WOULD PAY FOR THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE EXPLORED AND AGAIN, WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD USE PROJECT PLANNING FUNDS FOR.

AND I WOULD ALSO. OH, SORRY.

GO AHEAD. THE RECREATION, PARKS AND CULTURAL ACTIVITIES HAS A NEEDS ASSESSMENT WHICH DOES INCLUDE OUR FACILITIES ON THEIR WEB PAGE AND THAT THEY DID THROUGH THROUGH VARIOUS SURVEYS.

AND ANY ATHLETIC ANALYSIS THAT WE WOULD DO WOULD INVOLVE OUR PCA AS WELL.

JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE MOSTLY ALL SHARED FACILITIES.

AND I KNOW L IS WORKING WITH MR. PARKER AND HIS NEW ROLE TO EXTEND SOME PROGRAMING.

AND I DO BELIEVE WE DO HAVE DR.

GONZALEZ ON IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL UPDATES TO MR. PARKER'S ROLE.

YEAH. JUST THAT THE NEED AND LOOKING FORWARD AS WE'RE TRYING TO EXTEND IT INTO THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS THAT IS GOING TO INCUR SOME COSTS AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT YEAR THEN.

BUT WE, WE, WE MADE THE CHANGE THIS YEAR SO THAT WE COULD START IMPLEMENTING THIS YEAR AS WELL.

AND SOME OF THE BIGGER COST THINGS MAYBE NEXT YEAR WITH THE STUDENTS.

BUT WE JUST NEED TO PRIORITIZE AND UNDERSTAND THE WILL OF THE BOARD OF THAT.

HOW FAST OR SLOW YOU'D LIKE US TO GO AS WE EXTEND THESE OPPORTUNITIES DOWN INTO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL? ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS, MR. HARRIS AND MS.. BOOS? YES. AND THIS RIGHT HERE IS, OF COURSE, VERY SPECIAL TO ME, BECAUSE I COACHED HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS AND I COACHED FOOTBALL.

AND I KNOW THAT HERE FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL AND TRACK HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PRIORITY.

AND I KNOW FIRSTHAND THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INEQUITIES IN REGARD TO THE EQUIPMENT DISTRIBUTION, THE CONDITION EVEN IN THE SAME SPORT, FRESHMEN MAY GET SUBPAR EQUIPMENT COMPARED TO JV AND VARSITY GETTING TOP NOTCH EQUIPMENT.

AND THE SAME WITH BASKETBALL AND TRACK.

SO I KNOW THAT THROUGHOUT DIFFERENT SPORTS, THE FUNDING AS WELL AS THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THE RESOURCES, IS NOT EQUITABLE ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS.

AND THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR YEARS.

THIS IS NOTHING NEW.

SO I DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT DR.

RIEF SAYS, THAT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE BECAUSE IT DOES AFFECT EQUITY.

IT DOES AFFECT A LOT OF KIDS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE EQUAL RESOURCES TO THE SPORTS THAT ARE HERE.

AND I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY AND I WOULD VOTE FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. MS..

BOOSE YEAH.

AND I THINK YOU JUST ECHOING EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID IN SAYING THAT JUST IN TERMS OF PROCESS, I HAVE A VERY SIMILAR LINE ITEM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD JUST COMBINE THEM.

CB TWO WHEN WE DO THE VOTE, I PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY IN IT, BUT IT WAS ALSO MORE OF A PLACEHOLDER BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE COST WOULD BE, BUT LARGELY JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT MAKE THE POINT THAT I DO WANT TO PRIORITIZE THIS WORK AND ALSO JUST EMPHASIZE THAT IN ADDITION TO ATHLETICS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXTRACURRICULAR AND ARTS TOO.

SO NOT JUST NOT JUST ATHLETICS, BUT A REAL COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM.

ALL RIGHT. SO DEFINITELY NOTED THAT MA THREE AND I'M SORRY, MA, FOR.

IN CASE CB2 ARE SIMILAR.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE? DR. SIMPSON, THANK YOU.

I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT I THINK THIS IS NEEDED.

BUT I THINK WHAT I HEAR MCCULLOCH SAYING IS THAT THE ANALYSIS THAT COULD BE DONE WITHIN THE CIP BUDGET IS MORE ON A FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT LEVEL.

AND I THINK WHAT I HEAR MY COLLEAGUES SAYING IS THAT WE REALLY WANT AN ANALYSIS OF PROGRAMS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE POTENTIALLY VOTING ON.

MY ACCURATE UNDERSTANDING.

YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE.

SO IF WE WANTED IF WE WANTED ANALYSIS OF THE THE PROGRAM OFFERINGS OR THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE OFFERED TO STUDENTS, WHERE WOULD THAT NEED TO COME FROM? YEAH. I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ON, BECAUSE I THINK PART OF THIS IS AN ANALYSIS OF THE FACILITIES, RIGHT? IN THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, SPACES THAT ARE USED FOR ATHLETICS.

AND THEN BUT I'M ALSO HEARING SOME OF THIS IS LIKE EQUIPMENT AND YOU KNOW, PROGRAMING WHICH WOULD.

EQUIPMENT DEFINITELY COMES OUT OF THE OPERATING BUDGET.

SO. THAT'S THE DISTINCTION IN TERMS OF THE CIP THAT WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR ON.

YEAH, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE DOING THESE TWO SEPARATELY, BUT SPOILER ALERT, I'LL BE LOOKING AT THE OPERATING AND PUTTING IN SOME MONEY FOR THE OPERATING BUDGET AS WELL,

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BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE CIP RIGHT NOW.

AND MADAM CHAIR, I SEE IT AS THE CFP TONIGHT AND THEN DR.

GONZALEZ AND STAFF CAN TAKE IT BACK TO OUR TEAM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROGRAMING AND THE OPERATING BUDGET SIDE.

SO ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IN REGARD TO THIS, ACTUALLY TWO QUESTIONS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE PUT PLACEHOLDER DOLLARS IN THERE.

ONE, SHOULD THERE BE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THIS WOULD COST MORE THAN THIS? BUT SECONDLY, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COORDINATION IS BETWEEN RPK AND ACPS, BECAUSE IF RPK DOES. THIS ASSESSMENT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING JUST RANDOMLY DOING SOMETHING INDEPENDENT AND SPENDING MORE DOLLARS UNNECESSARILY WHEN MAYBE IT'S JUST A COORDINATION EFFORT BETWEEN WHAT'S ALREADY BEING DONE AND US GETTING THAT INFORMATION TO ANALYZE.

WE'RE OURSELVES.

YES, I WOULD AGREE AND I THINK THE RSPCA NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOCUSED A LOT ON SURVEYS OF THE PUBLIC AND CERTAINLY THE SCHOOLS AND EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES ARE ONE OF OF ONE ENTITY THAT THEY SERVE WITH THEIR FACILITY, WITH OUR FACILITIES.

BUT THEY ARE LOOKING MAYBE MORE BROADLY AT COMMUNITY USE AND ORGANIZATION USE AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO HAVING SOMETHING SPECIFIED FOR US CERTAINLY I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE HEARING FROM THE BOARD IN PUBLIC COMMENT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A DESIRE TO INCREASE AND ENGAGE MORE STUDENTS BEYOND WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING, AND MAYBE THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE IN THE RPA NEEDS ASSESSMENT. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK IT'S A STARTING PLACE THAT WE CAN USE TO TO INFORM OUR WORK.

PERFECT. THANK YOU, MS..

GREEN, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

CAN YOU TELL ME, IS THAT THE ACP SIDE OF THE R.P CASE, THEIR ACTUAL ASSESSMENT ISN'T DONE EVERY YEAR, IS IT? UPDATE DO THEY KEEP IT UPDATED? I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING AN UPDATED ONE.

I BELIEVE I HAVE TO.

I HAVE TO CHECK IN WITH RPC.

I DON'T WANT TO MISS MISREPRESENT THEIR WORK.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? ALL RIGHT. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M ACTUALLY HERE.

OH, YES, YES, MR. TURNER, GO AHEAD. YEAH.

SO THE PREVIOUS ONE, WE HAD A VOTE YES, TO ADD THE $20,000 AND WE TURNED DOWN THE DELETE OF THE $20,000.

AND THEN I NOTICED THAT THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS DOWN HERE THAT COULD ALL BE FUNDED OUT OF THE PLANNING, LIKE ERICA HAD SAID.

SO WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, DO WE JUST SIMPLY WANT TO PRIORITIZE THAT AS A PART OF THE PLANNING FUNDING THAT'S ALREADY IN THE CIP? OR BECAUSE AS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, WE'D BE INCREASING THE CIP BY 20,000.

AND I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S FINE IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO VOTE TO DO.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE, BECAUSE WE'D BE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL $20,000 TO THE PLANNING LINE RIGHT NOW FOR THAT SEVEN YES VOTE EARLIER.

AND THEN IF WE'RE DOING THE SAME FOR THIS ONE, IF THERE'S A VOTE FOR YES TO ADD AND THEN NOT TO DELETE, WE'D ADD THAT ON TOP AS WELL.

AND THEN I THINK WHAT ERIKA IS SAYING IS THESE STUDIES ARE GOING TO COST MORE THAN THE 20 AND THE 35,000 THAT ARE ON THAT LIST.

YES, THAT'S ACCURATE.

AND WE DO USE MAYBE I SHOULD JUST CLARIFY WHAT WE USE PROJECT PLANNING DOLLARS FOR.

SO YOUR UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR TRADE OFFS ARE.

SO OUR PROJECT PLANNING DOLLARS ARE KEPT IN THE BUDGET AS A SYSTEM WIDE LINE ITEM FOR ANY SYSTEM WIDE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FROM A PLANNING OR DESIGN PERSPECTIVE.

ALSO, IF WE HAVE DIFFERENT DESIGN WORK THAT COMES UP DURING THE YEAR THAT MAYBE WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.

AN EXAMPLE IS WE RECENTLY ENCOUNTERED A STRUCTURAL KIND OF STRUCTURAL ISSUE AT THE KITCHEN AT NAOMI BROOKS.

THAT WASN'T A PROJECT THAT'S BUDGETED.

WE ADDED FUNDING FOR THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION WORK, BUT WE KNOW WE NEED TO GET STARTED ON DESIGN.

THAT'S WHERE WE PULL PROJECT PLANNING DOLLARS FROM.

IT ALSO PAYS ALL OF OUR LEGAL ASSOCIATED WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT, AND ALL OF OUR REAL ESTATE CONSULTANT FEES COMES OUT OF THAT AS WELL AS WELL AS ANY THIS YEAR.

PLAYGROUND ASSESSMENTS AND DESIGN STANDARDS WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING FROM.

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SO SO A LOT COMES OUT OF THAT.

AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT IS TRYING TO REPRIORITIZE THOSE DOLLARS FOR THESE PURPOSES, WHICH WHICH IS WHICH IS FINE AND STAFF CAN SUPPORT.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE TRADEOFFS WILL BE THEN NEXT.

YEAH. SO WE'RE EITHER ADDING I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL MONEY TO THE TO THIS BUCKET.

OR WE ARE ASKING STAFF TO REPRIORITIZE MONIES THAT THEY'VE ALREADY KIND OF PLANNED FOR.

YES. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU REPRIORITIZE LEGAL FEES.

I MEAN, WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE.

THOSE ARE THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PRIORITIZE THE REAL ESTATE FEES BECAUSE WE NEED THE REAL ESTATE.

SO I THINK WE WOULD NEED AN AVERAGE OR AN IDEA.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ADDING ON.

I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING THAT WE CAN REPRIORITIZE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IN ORDER TO MOVE.

THE SYSTEM FORWARD.

I THINK THE EDITOR SPECS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THAT, THAT WHEN WE HAVE OUR OTHER SIP DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE DISCUSSED ABOUT WHAT WE WANT AND THE BOARD HAS PUT A LOT OF THAT OUT THERE. SO WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL THAT THAT'S A PART OF THIS BUDGET AS WELL.

SO MOVING FORWARD, IF WE CAN PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THAT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WILL WANT TO DISCUSS BEFORE YOU VOTE ON IT.

UM, IT'S JUST A QUESTION, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME OTHER CATEGORIES, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT ARE COMING UP THAT WOULD BE SUGGESTING TO TAKE FROM THAT SAME LINE ITEM BEFORE WE.

WOULD IT MAKE SENSE BEFORE WE VOTE TO ADD MONEY TO THE CIP? COULD WE KIND OF GET THROUGH WHERE WE AGREE AND SEE WHAT THE TOTAL IS THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REPRIORITIZE AND THEN MAKE MAKE A DECISION OF WHETHER WE NEED TO ADD MONEY TO THE CIP OR IT'S GOING TO BE DOABLE TO PUT PULL OUT OF THAT ONE LINE ITEM.

CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? SO WE KNOW THAT THE WE SAID WITH THE LAST ONE, THE $20,000 FROM THE SYSTEM WIDE PROJECTS, WE VOTED THAT DOWN BECAUSE WE SAID WE WOULD JUST WE WOULD USE THAT FUNDING LINE OF $500,000.

SO TO USE THAT MONEY.

AM I GETTING THAT CORRECT? SO WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHER LINES WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE DELETES OR WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THE SYSTEM WIDE PROJECT PLANNING AND DO THE THUMBS DOWN.

IN TERMS OF THE DELETE, CAN WE JUST GET A SENSE OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TO REPRIORITIZE FROM SYSTEM WIDE PROJECTS, SO WE THEN KNOW IF IF WE CAN IF WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE SYSTEM WIDE PROJECTS OR IF WE NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO OUR CFP.

YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

IT DOES. MY TAKE IS FROM THE LIST OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED, THERE PROBABLY IS A GENERAL CONCERN THAT WE DON'T WANT TO REPRIORITIZE. I THINK WHAT FROM IN MY SORT OF THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.

I GUESS IF WE NEED TO IF WE'RE SAYING WE WANT SOMETHING, I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO ADD IT.

WE HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION AS WELL.

SO WE LIKE.

WE HAVE SOME TIME TO REALLY, I THINK, GET THROUGH THIS AND THEN SEE WHERE WE ARE AT THE END.

AND THEN MAYBE IF PEOPLE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS KIND OF BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT WORK SESSION, WE CAN WE CAN DO THAT.

YEAH, I JUST.

I DON'T WANT IT TO BE TOO COMPLICATED, I GUESS.

AND I THINK WE MIGHT COMPLICATE THINGS IF WE TRY TO SIT HERE AND SAY, WELL, ERICA, LIKE, WHAT, $50,000 COULD YOU TAKE OUT IN ORDER TO DO, YOU KNOW, LEGAL FEES OR REAL ESTATE FEES OR WHATEVER? SO I THINK, YOU KNOW.

I THINK WE CAN THINK OF THIS RIGHT NOW AS LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE REALLY WANT, RIGHT? AND THEN SORT OF TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STEP BACK AT THE END AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING IN ORDER TO BE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT.

GO AHEAD. IS IT TOO MUCH OF A TROUBLE OR A BURDEN ON STAFF TO DETERMINE

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AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THAT AND MAYBE SEE WHAT WE HAVE UTILIZED AND WHAT WE HAVE LEFT.

THAT'S NOT TOO DIFFICULT.

YEAH, AND I THINK THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THEY CAN COME BACK WITH IF THAT SESSION.

NUMBER TWO, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

UM. SCREEN OR.

ALL RIGHT. SO.

ALL RIGHT. SO. YES. MISS SCHOOL? YEAH. IF I CAN OFFER.

SO THE SUPERINTENDENT CAN PROPOSE ADJUSTMENTS AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

I THINK IF. IF WE ALL.

IF WE HAVE A STAFF, HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD ON SOME OF THESE ADS, WE KNOW THAT THE DOLLAR VALUE MAYBE IS NOT BEING ADOPTED AT THIS OR AGREED TO AT THIS TIME, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN AS A STAFF, TAKE A LOOK AT, LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN LEFT OVER IN THE PAST BASED ON PROJECTS WE HAVE AND IN OUR WORK SESSION NEXT WEEK. COME BACK WITH ADJUSTMENTS.

DR. KAY WYATT AND MR. TURNER, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.

YES, THAT'S FINE. BUT I ALSO WANT US TO BE MINDFUL OF THERE ARE A LOT OF PROJECTS GOING ON AND WE ALREADY KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR PROJECTED CIP BUDGET CONCERNS.

SO WE WILL DEFINITELY BRING ALL THOSE NUMBERS BACK AND I THINK WE CAN HAVE A FULLER DISCUSSION ONCE WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.

SO THANK YOU. WE WILL DO THAT FOR YOU.

AND MR. TURNER CAN.

SO FOR ME THAT IF ANYTHING IS VOTED YES ON TODAY, I'M MILKING IT AS A IF IT'S AN AD.

WE'RE ADDING 20,000 OR 30 OR 35,000 TO WHAT THE PROPOSAL WAS.

AND THEN IF WE WANT TO COME BACK TO WORK SESSION NUMBER TWO AND THEN CHANGE THAT, WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR THAT THESE ADS WERE SUBMITTED AS THEY WERE.

AND YOU'RE VOTING YES OR NO ON THEM AS THEY ARE.

SO THEN AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHY WE DID ADD SOMETHING OR DID NOT ADD SOMETHING.

YES, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, MR. TURNER. SO WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY, WHEN WE SAY WHEN WE HAVE A THUMBS UP TO WHAT IS HERE, WE ARE ADDING TO THE BUDGET.

KNOWING THAT.

WE COULD COME BACK NEXT WEEK TO BE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR ON A FEW THINGS.

SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.

OK. YES.

MS.. GREENE, JUST ONE MORE CLARIFICATION, PLEASE.

BUT THOSE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T DELETE THAT MS..

GULICK SAID, COULD BE POTENTIALLY TAKEN OUT OF THE MONEY ALREADY, THE FUNDING ALREADY.

THAT'S GOING TO BE SHOWN TO US AS WELL AS POTENTIAL HOW MUCH WE WOULD BE USING FOR THESE ADS THAT IN IN WHAT YOU BRING BACK IN THE ADJUSTMENTS.

YES. THANK YOU.

QUESTION ABOUT YOU, MR. HARRIS. JUST CURIOUS, HOW DO WE EVEN KNOW IF THESE NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE? WE'RE ASKING, HOW DO WE KNOW? WE DON'T. WE DON'T.

SO THESE ARE NUMBERS.

THIS IS A NOT A YES.

YES. IT'S NOT ANY BUDGET.

BECAUSE WE THINK ABOUT YOU DO HOMEWORK ON SOME OF THIS STUFF AND THEN YOU DO PROPOSALS.

I MEAN, YES, WE WANT THESE THINGS, BUT WHERE ARE THESE NUMBERS COMING FROM? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST ACROSS THE BOARD, SO I UNDERSTAND.

THANK YOU. IF I COULD, JUST FROM PAST, WHEN WE'RE USING CONSULTANTS, MOST OF THE CONSULTANTS ARE COSTING AT LEAST $100,000 TO DO WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO.

SO I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY THE STARTING PLACE FOR MOST OF THIS WORK THAT IS ON HERE.

AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP FROM THERE MOST LIKELY.

YEAH, I WOULD AGREE.

I MEAN, HONESTLY, MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE AT LEAST $100,000 FOR ANY OF THIS KIND OF WORK.

BUT I THINK THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE COULD COME BACK WITH A MORE REALISTIC NUMBER NEXT WEEK.

YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU'RE MISSING MR. BAILEY'S. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NOT, MAN. I WAS THE FRIEND WAS FROM SPENDING THE FUNDING ON THESE ANALYZES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

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I'M THINKING, I DON'T.

I DON'T KNOW. WELL, YEAH, SURE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I GOT TO GO BACK.

SO. IN TERMS OF.

I THINK WE NEED BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR MAR FOUR AND KB TWO.

MR. TURNER.

WOULD YOU LIKE FOR.

THUMBS UP AND THUMBS DOWN FOR EACH OF THOSE BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS.

I WOULD THINK SO.

CORRECT. I WOULD SAY A THUMBS UP AND THUMBS DOWN FOR BOTH.

AND BECAUSE MY ROUGH ESTIMATE ON ALL OF THESE WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF $100,000, GO FOR THE 35,001 IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

SO I.

FOR WHICH IS 30,000.

WE NEED THUMBS UP FOR THAT.

YOU HAVE ZERO THUMBS UP FOR ME FOR.

TASB TO 35,000.

THUMBS UP FOR THAT.

OKAY, YOU HAVE.

EIGHT IN THE ROOM WITH THUMBS UP.

OK. SO WE GOT THOSE DONE.

THIS DELETE MA FIVE IS NOT DOES NOT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE COMING FROM PROJECT PLANNING DOLLARS, CORRECT.

IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME FOR ME, TOO.

SO EVERYONE YOU SEE STILL NEEDS THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN.

MERE FIVE THUMBS UP.

AMRO. FIVE THUMBS DOWN.

I NEED TO SEE YOUR THUMBS, FOLKS.

WE HAVE NINE THUMBS DOWN FOR OUR FIVE.

OKAY, DR. REEF, YOU'RE ON MARS SIX.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

BEFORE I EXPLAIN NUMBER SIX, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND DR.

WYATT'S POINT ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF STAFF.

AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPEFUL THAT BY HAVING THE CONVERSATION, THAT IT JUST GIVES SOME GUIDANCE ABOUT SOME SOME SOME PRIORITIES THAT THE BOARD HAS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN FOR HOW BEST OR THE TIMELINE EVEN FOR HOW TO DO THIS WORK, YOU KNOW, IS SOMETHING THAT OR EVEN MAYBE IT COMES BACK TO THE BOARD AS A LIKE WHAT'S YOUR PRIORITY ORDER FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS MAYBE IS HOW WE COULD JUST KIND OF THINK ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE.

BUT, BUT ANYWAYS, THIS MS. SIX IS TO ESTABLISH A PLAN AND TIMELINE TO DETERMINE THE FEASIBILITY OF INCLUDING PREVAILING WAGE AND PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS TO FUTURE TYPE PROJECTS.

SO BASICALLY OUR CITY COUNCIL JUST ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE LAST MONTH STIPULATING THAT CONSTRUCTION PUBLIC WORKS CONTRACTS LARGER THAN 250,000 MUST PAY A PREVAILING WAGE TO SKILLED WORKERS ON THE JOB.

AND THE REASON THAT I BELIEVE OUR COUNCIL DID THIS, AND I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT, IS BECAUSE WAGE THEFT IS A COMMON ISSUE IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY.

COMPANIES WILL CUT COSTS BY HIRING LESS SKILLED WORKERS WHO ARE LESS KNOWLEDGEABLE OF BEST PRACTICES AROUND SAFETY.

OFTEN IT INVOLVES EXPLOITATION OF IMMIGRANT WORKERS AS WELL, WHICH I THINK IS NOT ALIGNED WITH OUR VALUES AS A CITY.

AND THE CITY MANAGER'S MEMO TO COUNCIL OUTLINED SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF PREVAILING WAGE, WHICH CAN INCLUDE HIGHER QUALITY WORK ON CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, LOWER INJURY RATES, FEWER CHANGE ORDERS AND OVERALL LOWER CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

AND I KNOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED A LIVING WAGE ORDINANCE OF $15 AN HOUR THAT FOLLOWS.

SO BUT WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY ON LIVING WAGE.

SO I ASSUME THAT PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE WOULD ALSO APPLY TO PROJECTS.

BUT IT JUST IT SEEMS UNCLEAR.

SO IF THE SCHOOL BOARD NEEDS TO DEVELOP OUR OWN POLICY, THEN I WOULD ADVOCATE DOING THAT.

AND I'LL JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS.

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AND I THINK IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL WAYS, IN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING BEING BUILT, IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL WAYS THAT THESE PROJECTS AND THIS WORK CAN BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY, WE SHOULD BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

AND PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS ARE SOMETHING INCORPORATED INTO THE CONTRACTS THAT STIPULATE THINGS LIKE HIRING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF LOCAL RESIDENTS OR ACCEPTING CITY RESIDENTS, WHICH COULD INCLUDE RECENT HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES INTO APPRENTICESHIP TRAINING PROGRAMS. I THINK THIS IS A WAY TO CONNECT STUDENTS WITH INDUSTRY PARTNERS AND PROVIDE WORK BASED LEARNING EXPERIENCES, WHICH IS ALIGNED WITH THE GOALS OF THE HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT.

SO I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE USE PROJECT PLANNING FUNDS TO COME BACK WITH LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN DO THIS.

AND AGAIN, IT'S IT'S ALSO ALIGNED WITH WHAT OUR CITY COUNCIL IS DOING AS WELL.

SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR SOME FEEDBACK FROM MY COLLEAGUES.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

FIRST, IS THERE A STAFF RESPONSE TO THIS? WE INCLUDE IT IN THE NOTES.

IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE SPEAKING.

MR. TURNER IS READY TO TALK.

GO AHEAD, MR. TURNER.

OH, I DIDN'T HAVE MY HAND UP THIS TIME.

I WAS ACTUALLY.

I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING.

PLEASE KNOW THAT DR. HART'S TEAM AND MYSELF, WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY AND FOLLOWING KIND OF THEIR PLAN OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING WITH THESE PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS. I THINK WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE COST THAT IT'S GOING TO ALSO ADD TO THE ACPS BUDGET IF WE DO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.

I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO GIVE ADVICE ON WHETHER WE SHOULD OR NOT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO SPEND SOME MORE TIME AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE PROJECTS THAT WE DO AND HOW IT COULD POSSIBLY DELAY SOME UPCOMING PENDING PROJECTS.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A TIMELINE AROUND THAT.

SO I THINK THAT ONE INVOLVES A LOT MORE DISCUSSION THAN WE HAVE FOR THIS EVENING.

CAN I HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES? UM. BE. JUST THAT.

JUST A COMMENT. I SUPPORT THIS IDEA VERY MUCH SO.

AND THEN MOSTLY ALSO SOMETIMES WHERE WE'RE GETTING INTO TROUBLE IS NOT NECESSARILY WITH THE MAIN CONTRACTOR AT SOME OF THE SUBCONTRACTORS OR THE SUB, THE SUBCONTRACTORS.

SO IF WE'RE DOING THIS WORK, JUST MAKING SURE, JUST REITERATING SOME OF THE STUFF DR.

REEF SAID THAT THAT THAT WE'RE ALSO BEING TRUE WITH SOME OF THOSE SUBCONTRACTORS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MR. BAILEY. YES, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I AGREE WITH DR.

RIEF AS WELL, BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU'RE ALWAYS READING IN THE NEWSPAPER OR HEARING SOMETHING ON THE NEWS HOW A LOT OF THESE EMPLOYEES OUT HERE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE EMPLOYEES ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEIR EMPLOYEES BECAUSE OF SOMETHING, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THIS.

SO I THINK IT DOES TAKE WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

AND I UNDERSTAND, DR.

KAY, WHY IT'S GOING TO DELAY.

IT MIGHT MIGHT TEND TO DELAY SOME PROJECTS, ADD MORE TO THE PROJECT, BUT.

WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING SURE, EVEN IF THEY DON'T WORK FOR THE ACPS, WE STILL NEED TO MAKE SURE ALL WORKERS ARE BEING TREATED FAIRLY.

AND IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND WE FIND OUT THEY'RE NOT BEING TREATED FAIRLY.

TO ME, IT'S ON OUR WATCH.

SO I THINK THIS NEEDS SOME MORE DISCUSSION AND IT REALLY NEEDS TO GET LOOKED AT.

SO THANK YOU.

JUST. THANK YOU, MR. BAILEY.

JUST KNOW THAT MR. PETTYJOHN AND I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT AS WELL AS BOTH OF OUR TEAMS, ABOUT THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE AROUND IT.

AND WE WILL CONTINUE OUR WORK IN THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ON TIMELINE AS WELL AS BUDGET.

OKAY. AND THE OTHER MR. NEWBY. SO I ECHO MY COLLEAGUES.

I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT AND STUDY CAREFULLY AND SEE HOW IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

BUT I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT AND THE PRINCIPLE.

AND THE OTHER THING, IT'S ALSO WHEN YOU HAVE UNION LABOR.

THEY'RE SKILLED, THEY'RE TRAINED, AND YOU'RE ALSO INVESTING IN A QUALITY OF WORK.

THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT OF IT.

AGAIN, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND STAFF NEEDS TO DO A LOT OF LEGWORK HERE THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE OUTPUT OF, BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

MR. HERZ AND JUST THE LAST COMMENT ON THAT.

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AND I SEE WORKERS ARE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF ON THAT BASIS THROUGH PAYING THROUGH BENEFITS.

AND IT DOES HAVE A LOT OF PROS.

IT DOES HAVE SOME CONS.

EVERYTHING ELSE DOES.

REDUCE THE COMPETITIVE COMPETITIVENESS A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT IS DOING BENEFICIAL AND IT DOES LOOK OUT FOR THE WORKER.

BUT I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK AND YOU HAVE TO PUT IT TOGETHER PROPERLY.

IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL TO EVERY COMMUNITY AT ALL.

IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT AND IT DOES TAKE TIME.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE OVERNIGHT.

SO I HOPE WE DO CONTINUE TO STUDY AND I'VE GOT DATA AND THIS KIND OF THING.

SO THANK YOU.

SO I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT THERE.

WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THIS WITH THE RIGHT PERSONNEL.

UM. AND SO.

THIS TO ME MEANS WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT HAVING IN-HOUSE COUNSEL SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

BECAUSE STAFF CANNOT HOLD THIS WORK.

THEY SHOULDN'T.

AND SO I'M JUST THROWING OUT THERE THAT THIS IS NOT ONLY AN AD FOR THIS ANALYSIS, BUT AS WE ARE DEALING WITH OUR COMBINED FUNDS BUDGET, WE NEED IN-HOUSE COUNSEL.

WE NEED PEOPLE MORE THAN ONE WHO ARE GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO ALL OF THIS SORT OF WORK AROUND ORGANIZED LABOR.

AND THAT ALSO MEANS MAKING SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO GOING TO NEED OUT.

EVEN IF WE HAVE AN IN-HOUSE COUNSEL, WE'RE GOING TO NEED OUT SIDE LEGAL SUPPORT TO HELP WITH THIS AS WELL.

SO THIS IS A BIG, BIG BUDGET ITEM.

I JUST WANT TO SORT OF REITERATE THAT.

THIS IS.

ONE BIG PIECE OF.

A PIECE THAT'S THREE TIMES BIGGER, I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

AND I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.

PART TWO. DR.

CLAY, WHY DID YOU SAY YOU ALREADY DOING THIS WORK? CORRECT. AND SOMEWHAT ON THIS.

DID YOU SAY I'M SORRY? WHEN YOU SAY WE'RE DOING THE WORK, WE'RE NOT DOING THE WORK OF ACTUALLY BEGINNING THE PROCESS.

WE'RE DOING OUR HOMEWORK IN A SENSE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE STUDYING WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS COULD BE OF MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION.

WE ALSO HAVE TO BE MINDFUL THAT WE'RE PREDOMINANTLY FUNDED BY THE CITY, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ANOTHER ASK OF FUNDING OF SOME SORT IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK WITH OUR TEAM AND LOOK AT THE TIMELINE AND WHAT DEADLINE IMPACTS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

ESPECIALLY, WE'VE GOT SOME PROJECTS COMING UP THAT ARE 2024.

WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT THIS PRIOR TO THE START OF THAT.

AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO CURRENT PROJECTS ARE WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE OR IS IT ONLY GOING TO APPLY TO NEW CONTRACTS? I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THAT IS MUCH BIGGER THAN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN ON TONIGHT.

AND I APPRECIATE MADAM CHAIR SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO INVOLVE A LOT OF LEGAL CONSULT.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE ALSO EMBARKING UPON COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.

THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF THE STAFF'S TIME.

SO I JUST WANT US TO BE MINDFUL THAT WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE BUDGET, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE TIMELINES, AND THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE PRIORITY OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE ALREADY LAID OUT.

SO JUST BE MINDFUL.

BUT YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. HARRIS, WE ARE DOING OUR HOMEWORK AND OUR RESEARCH TO MAKE SURE WE'RE KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THAT RESPECT.

YEAH, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I HAVE TO CONCUR THAT THIS IS A MONUMENTAL TASK.

THIS IS NOT A SIMPLE THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN.

AND I TRUST YOU AND STAFF DOING THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING NOW, JUST DOING YOUR HOMEWORK, BECAUSE THAT IN ITSELF IS MONUMENTAL.

SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE RUSHED OR PUSHED URGENTLY.

TRUST YOU AND YOUR STAFF TO KIND OF CONTINUE TO DO THE HOMEWORK AND POSSIBLY REPORT BACK IN SOME TIME TO LET US KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, WHAT YOU MAY THINK.

BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PUSH A BUTTON ON NOW TO KIND OF MOVE THINGS FORWARD.

BECAUSE IF WE DO IT, I THINK WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT AND WE DON'T WANT TO RUSH THROUGH IT.

SO ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD TRUST JUNIOR STAFF TO KIND OF DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND REPORT BACK AS.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

AND I WOULD JUST ADD I WOULD I WOULD WANT TO DO IT WHEN WE HAVE THIS SORT OF PERSON IN PLACE WHO'S GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF ALL OF THIS, THAT'S WHEN I WOULD BE LIKE, OKAY,

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OH, AND DR.

REEF, I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

DR. KAY. I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION, AND YOU ANSWERED IT ABOUT THE CONVERSATION AND GOING TO THE CITY TO ASK FOR MORE FUNDING, WHICH THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS GOING TO ASK. BUT TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT.

TO ME, IT'S NOT FAIR IF THE CITY IS ALREADY FIGHTING FOR THIS.

OR FOR WORKERS THAT'S DOING WORK FOR THE CITY, PROJECTS FOR THE CITY, BUT THEN THEY WOULD NOT GIVE US THE FUNDING TO ASSIST US WITH THIS.

SO TO ME, TO ME IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AND MAYBE YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING ON, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE SEE IT BEING FAIR. IF THEY DENIED IF IF WE DID AN ANALYSIS AND WE FIND OUT, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO, AND THEN THEY DENY DEFUNDING IT, TO ME, IT JUST IT JUST DOESN'T IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.

SO I'M I'M THINKING THAT THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THEY WILL WORK WITH YOU AND FIND A WAY TO GET YOU THAT FUNDING.

SINCE I THINK ALL OF OUR PEOPLE ON CITY COUNCIL ARE PRO WORKERS.

THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I THINK ONE THING THEY'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT IS SORT OF.

UM, THEY KNOW THIS IS GOING TO MEAN EXTRA COSTS FOR THEM.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

SO I THINK I DO THINK THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO TAKE EXTRA CARE IN HOW WE DO IT.

BECAUSE IF IT IF IT DOESN'T COME TO THEM SORT OF WELL-ORGANIZED, WELL THOUGHT OUT AND FULLY EXPLAINED, I THINK THAT'S HOW WE'LL GET PUSHED BACK.

AND WE WANT TO SET OURSELVES UP TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, HERE'S WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND THIS IS ALL THE COSTS RELATED TO THAT. INSTEAD OF PIECEMEALING AS WE GO, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'LL GET.

PUSH BACK. SO IN CLOSING, I AGREE WITH.

CHRIS, WITH TRUSTING YOU, DR.

KAYODE, AND YOUR STAFF TO FIND A WAY TO SPEAK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. WE WILL CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

DR. REEF. THANK YOU.

AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE THE ITEM THAT I SUBMITTED WAS TO LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY AND BRING BRING BACK THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH PREVAILING WAGE AND PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, HOW THE WORKERS IN THOSE CASES ARE GOING TO BE HIGHLY TRAINED, HIGHLY SKILLED WORKERS.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOMETIMES WORK ISN'T DONE CORRECTLY AND HAS TO BE CORRECTED AND COSTS CAN BE INCURRED THAT WAY AS WELL. AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SOMETIMES OVERALL COSTS CAN ACTUALLY BE LOWER THIS WAY.

I DON'T THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO INCREASE THE COST NECESSARILY.

I THINK IT'S THINGS CAN BE DONE ON TIME AND ON BUDGET.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE DONE THE RIGHT WAY.

AND SO, AGAIN, THAT WHAT I PUT IN HERE WAS I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT IMPLEMENTING THIS.

IT'S ABOUT A FEASIBILITY TO BRING BACK TO JUST PLAN AND WORK TOWARDS THAT AND BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION TO THE BOARD.

AND WHETHER I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STAFF INTERNALLY OR IF WE NEED TO LIKE THE CONVERSATION IS GOING.

IF THAT INVOLVES HIRING OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL DIVISION TO DO THAT WORK AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SO WE'RE GOING TO GO GO AHEAD AND DO OUR EXERCISE.

SO WE ARE AT OUR SIX, WHICH IS THUMBS.

WE'RE ASKING THUMBS UP FOR MY SIX.

GOOD. GOOD QUESTION. OH, MR. BAILEY HAS A QUESTION.

DR. SAID THEY'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS IS SO.

WELL, CAN I PROVIDE AN UPDATE? I'M SORRY, MR. BAILEY.

I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CLEAR.

THE CITY HAS PROVIDED MY STAFF WITH AN UPDATE ON THEIR THEIR PLAN OF HOW THEY WOULD MOVE FORWARD ON PROJECTS, AND THEY DID SHARE OUT SOME OF THAT, I BELIEVE, AT THEIR LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.

THERE'S THERE'S NO DIRECT REQUEST OF US AT THIS TIME, BUT WE HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD POSSIBLY LOOK LIKE ONCE THEY HAVE FULL IMPLEMENTATION AND THEN WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR US.

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SO. BUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING.

I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING A DELAY.

SO IF I IF I'M CUTTING SOMEONE OFF, I DO APOLOGIZE.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW? OR DO WE WAIT FOR DR.

KAY TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY? BECAUSE AGAIN, I JUST CAN'T SEE WHY THEY HAVE THEY WOULD DENY US FUNDING.

SO I THINK IT'S.

NO, NO, NO, NO. I THINK IT'S.

LET ME TRY TO.

LET ME TRY TO SORT OF.

GO AHEAD, DR. KAY. WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, THEY ARE IN THEIR EARLY STAGES OF OF JUST DISCUSSING IT.

SO I THINK FOR US TO.

TO GET AHEAD AND START TO MAKE DECISIONS AROUND IT WOULD BE PREMATURE AT THIS TIME.

AND I'M SORRY IF THAT'S NOT WHERE YOU WANT TO GO, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THEY ARE REALLY IN THEIR BEGINNING STAGES OF THE PROCESS AND THAT WE ARE JUST LEARNING AND GOING ALONG WITH THEIR PROCESS SO WE CAN BE A PART OF THAT LEARNING CURVE AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO ROLL OUT WHAT THEIR BUDGET GUIDELINES ARE.

MR. AL NEWBY.

THANK YOU SO.

SO LIKE WHAT MR. IS SAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALREADY WORKING AND STUDYING, LIKE, LET'S USE THE WORD STUDY.

WE'RE STUDYING THIS, RIGHT? AM I CORRECT? OKAY.

SO AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS BUDGET ITEM, IT ASKS US TO STUDY THIS, WORK ON IT, EXPLORE IT, AND THEN COME BACK WITH THE RESULTS. OR SO LET ME ASK IT.

LET ME JUST SIMPLIFY THE QUESTION.

IF. THIS PASSES.

WHAT HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T PASS? WHAT HAPPENS SINCE THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED? IF THIS IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO, THEN ESSENTIALLY WE NEED TO BE HIRING SOMEONE TO DO A WHOLE ANALYSIS FOR US ON PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS.

AND MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ADD, I THINK WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF OURSELVES WITH THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A MUCH LARGER PROJECT THAN JUST I KNOW THIS IS ASKING FOR THE STUDY AND THE TIMELINE, BUT EVEN THE CITY IS IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS WORK.

AND I THINK WE WE NEED TO STEP BACK AND DO ALL OF OUR RESEARCH BECAUSE THE WORK LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT FOR US THAN IT WOULD LOOK FOR THE CITY.

SO I THINK IF THIS IS JUST FOR US TO LAY OUT A TIMELINE AND START TO DO THE RESEARCH AND THE WORK, I STILL THINK WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF THAT TIME TO PREPARE TO SEE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR US.

AND I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD PROBABLY WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE GUIDELINES THE CITY ARE GOING TO SET UP FOR THEMSELVES, BECAUSE WE WANT TO SOMEWHAT BE LIKE IN WHAT THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE DISJOINTED FROM THE GUIDELINES IN THE WORK OF THE CITY AND REALLY JUST RESPECT THEIR WORK.

MR. HARRIS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT WE UNDERSTAND.

ALL THAT ENTAILS. THIS IS HUMONGOUS.

THIS IS HUGE. AND WE HAVE TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE CITY AT SOME POINT ON THIS ANYWAY.

SO FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING OURSELVES AHEAD OF THE CITY AND THE WORK THEY'RE ALREADY DOING.

AND WHO'S TO SAY THAT OUR WORK AND WHAT WE FIND WILL BE COLLABORATIVE AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING? WE CAN'T SAY THAT AT SOME POINT.

WE HAVE TO TRUST THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN GOING ON.

WE HAVE TO TRUST STAFF.

WE HAVE TO TRUST THE HOMEWORK AND DUE DILIGENCE THAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING AND THEN COME BACK AND REVISIT.

IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A SIMPLE THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

THIS CHANGES THE WHOLE DYNAMIC OF HIRING AND CONTRACTING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND WE'RE ALSO AS IMPACT A NUMBER OF OUR PROJECTS.

AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO TACKLE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, WHICH IS GOING TO BE MASSIVE.

SO, OKAY, SO WE NEED TO JUST.

WE GOT TO GO. THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN ON THIS? THUMBS UP. THUMBS UP IF YOU THUMBS UP THIS YEAR.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WANT.

TO ADD 20,000 TO THE BUDGET.

LIKELY MORE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE $20,000.

IT'S GOING TO BE MORE TO DO.

A STUDY. UM, PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS.

CORRECT. MADAM CHAIR, BEFORE THE VOTE.

MAY. MAY I? MAY I JUST SAY ONE MORE THING? YES. I'M SORRY.

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SO I JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ASKING OUR STAFF TO DO.

BECAUSE WHERE WE'RE HIRING SOMEONE, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED INFORMATION AND WORK AND DATA FROM OUR STAFF.

I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT FOR EVERY STUDY THAT WE ASK FOR, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT TOO.

ANY TIME WE'RE ASKING FOR A STUDY, IT'S NOT JUST SOMEBODY COMING OUT WHO'S JUST GOING TO RUN AROUND AND DO THE WORK.

THE STAFF ARE HEAVILY INVOLVED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THEY HAVE TO THE STAFF HOLD THE WORK.

SO NO MATTER WHAT CONSULTANT YOU BRING IN.

IT'S IT'S AN EXTRA PROJECT FOR STAFF.

100% IS SO BE BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS WELL.

AND HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING WITH IT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING IN A SENSE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM BRING IN SOMEONE TO ACTUALLY DO MORE INVOLVED WORK.

BECAUSE REMEMBER, IF THEY DO AN ACTUAL STUDY, THIS IS GOING TO BE A FULL ON PROCESS, RIGHT? THIS IS GOING TO BE WE NEED THIS FROM YOU.

WE NEED THAT FROM YOU. WE NEED TO DO SURVEYS.

WE NEED TO DO THIS IS NOT JUST THEM TAKING THEIR TIME AND TALKING TO CITY STAFF, SEEING WHERE CITY STAFF IS AND THINKING THROUGH WHAT MIGHT BE NEXT FOR US.

I'M SURE $20,000 SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A DROP IN THE BUCKET.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH.

WELL, I MEAN, NOT JUST ENOUGH, BUT NOT NEARLY ENOUGH.

NO, NOT NOT EVEN CLOSE.

SO. I'M JUST AS MIXED UP.

BUT FOR SOME REASON, I JUST.

I JUST FEEL THAT IF WE LET THE CITY DO THEIR PART RIGHT, LET THEM DO THEIR PART, I THINK THEY'LL HAVE.

AND MAYBE DR.

CHI CAN.

MAYBE THEY HAVE IT IN THEIR HEART TO MAYBE HELP US WITH OURS.

RIGHT. I SAY LET LET US DO OUR WORK.

THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. BAILEY. BECAUSE MR. PARAGON AND I HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS, AND WE CAN LEARN FROM THEIR PROCESS AND THEN TWEAK AND DO OUR OWN RESEARCH AND HOMEWORK.

AND THEN IF WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO THE STUDY AT SOME POINT.

BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WE'RE SETTING A LOT OF PRIORITIES.

WE'RE A LOT OF BUDGET IMPLICATIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ALL THESE STUDIES.

AND YOU'RE INVOLVING ALL OF THE SAME STAFF OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IN AN ALREADY SHORT TIME FRAME.

AND WE'VE GOT A TWO YEAR PROJECT COMING UP ON THIS HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE THIS STAFF IN THEIR DEDICATED TIME.

ALL RIGHT, WE GOT TO GO. THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN? EITHER YOU'RE WITH IT OR YOU'RE NOT.

GO AHEAD. SORRY.

SO, CLAIRE, CLARIFYING.

SORRY, I JUST HAD A TOTAL BRAIN MOMENT.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE ONE.

THIS COULD BE A TOPIC FOR CITY SCHOOLS SUB COMMITTEE MEETING.

OH, IT'S GOING TO BE. YEAH.

THAT'S NOT EVEN A QUESTION.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN A TOPIC.

OKAY, GREAT. SO THERE'S THAT.

AND TO GOING BACK TO YOUR CONVERSATION EARLIER ABOUT GETTING IN-HOUSE COUNSEL, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WE BRING THIS BACK AS PART OF THE OPERATING CONVERSATION TO GET THE IN-HOUSE COUNSEL WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S OBVIOUSLY WHO'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS TO BEGIN WITH AS WE'RE DOING THAT PROCESS. AND THEN THAT STAFF PERSON COULD ALSO ASSIST WITH THIS WORK.

I'M GOING TO BE VERY HONEST.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALMOST TALKING TWO ROLLS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO ROLL THESE PROJECTS OUT SIMULTANEOUSLY.

BECAUSE YES, THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING, LIKE IT'S NOT JUST IN HOUSE COUNSEL, IT'S ALSO IN HOUSE COUNSEL, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE CONSIDERING. SO IT WOULDN'T JUST.

SO IT'S IT'S MORE IT'S DEFINITELY MORE THAN ONE PERSON, RIGHT? NOT THAT THAT PERSON WOULD NECESSARILY BE ON STAFF, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMEONE ADDITIONAL THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR.

YES. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T MAKE THAT CLEAR, BUT THERE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO BE TWO DIFFERENT ROLES BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE TWO DIFFERENT FOLKS AND WORKING WITH OUR TEAMS. CAN WE GO THUMBS UP? THUMBS DOWN NOW.

ALL RIGHT, MA. SEVEN THUMBS UP FOR MA.

SEVEN. OH, I'M SORRY.

I'M ON THE WRONG ONE, MA.

SIX THUMBS UP FOR MA.

SIX. WE HAVE ONE THUMB UP.

DO WE HAVE EIGHT THUMBS DOWN FROM OUR SIX? GOT TO DO SOMETHING.

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ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE EVEN NEED WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO DEAL WITH THE DELETE DONE.

SO I GUESS WE KIND OF DO OUR SEVEN THUMBS.

WE HAVE NINE. WE HAVE NINE THUMBS DOWN FOR OUR SEVEN.

ALL RIGHT, MR. AL NEWBY, YOU'RE UP.

I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK ENOUGH AND WE CAN TOUCH ON THIS THE LAST WORK SESSION.

SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY AN AD TO ALLOCATE FUNDS TO FOUR REAL LOCATABLE CLASSROOMS, ESSENTIALLY TRAILERS, IN CASE WE HAVE IT JUST AS A SHORT TERM MEASURE IN CASE WE HAVE OVERCROWDING THAT JUST CAN'T BE HANDLED BY PROGRAMING OR SCHEDULE CHANGES OR WHATEVER. WE LOOKED AT THE PROJECTIONS.

IT'S GOING TO BE GOING UP FOR A WHILE FOR AT LEAST MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL.

THERE MAY BE A SMALL DIP, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S GOING UP.

MIDDLE SCHOOL ALREADY IS AT 124 UTILIZATION RATE PLUS GW.

SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY JUST A PLAN B.

LIKE I SAID, I THINK LAST TIME IT WAS SAID THAT PLAN A TO KEEP TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE OVERCROWDING IS IS PROGRAMING CHANGES AND WHICH IS GREAT, BUT YOU CAN ONLY STRETCH THINGS SO FAR, RIGHT? PROGRAMING CAN ONLY GO SO FAR.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TEACHERS, TEACHERS TEACHING FROM CARTS AND IT'S GOING TO IMPACT PERFORMANCE, TEACHER PERFORMANCE, CLIMATE, ALL THAT STUFF.

SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY JUST TO HAVE A PLAN B FOR FOR OVERCAPACITY IN THE WHEREVER NEEDED TO BRING IN THOSE.

I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE THEM IN THE HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT NOW.

JUST SAW THEM YESTERDAY.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY LOOK GOOD, ACTUALLY.

AND IT'S A COMMON PRACTICE.

IT HAPPENS. ALL THAT HAPPENS IN FAIRFAX.

EVERY SCHOOL I PLAYED SOCCER IN, FAIRFAX HAS THEM.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE AREA WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW IS THE AREA.

SO THIS IS CENTRAL.

THIS AD IS FOR. THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE A STAFF RESPONSE? YES. THANK YOU.

AND SO A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO TOUCH ON IN.

AND JUST JUST SO THE BOARD HAS THE INFORMATION.

THIS IS THE SCHOOL BOARD'S AD DELETE.

SO YOU ALL CHOOSE WHAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

I JUST WANT TO JUST CLARIFY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RELOCATE CLASSROOMS AND CAPACITY ISSUES SUCH AS AT GEORGE WASHINGTON AND FRANCES HAMMOND, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY NEED MORE CLASSROOMS, THEY NEED BIGGER CLASSROOMS. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT.

A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU'RE AT KING STREET, IT FEELS REALLY CROWDED.

IT FEELS REALLY CROWDED BETWEEN BELLS, RIGHT WHEN THEY'RE CHANGING CLASSES IN THE HALLWAYS, IN THE STAIRWELLS, YOU GO IN THE CLASSROOMS. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NEEDING RELOCATED CLASSROOMS SOMEWHERE, IT MAY NOT BE ALWAYS THAT WE NEED ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS. WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT OUR SCHEDULE OR WE MAY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING MORE EFFICIENT.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, JUST TO SAY THAT RELOCATIONS DON'T HAPPEN QUICK AND EVEN THOUGH WE CALL THEM RELOCATE TABLES, THEY'RE NOT VERY RELOCATE ABLE.

SO WHEN WE FOR THE FOR EXAMPLE, FOR POLK AND FOR KING STREET, FOR THOSE RELOCATE TABLES, YOU HAVE, WE HAVE TO STILL GO THROUGH A PLANNING PROCESS.

THE CITY HAS MADE IT EASIER IN THAT IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE, BUT WE DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PLANNING PROCESS.

WE TYPICALLY HAVE TO TIE IN UTILITIES, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE JUST BUYING THESE THINGS AND CAN PLACE THEM THAT UPCOMING YEAR WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THEM.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD HAD THAT INFORMATION.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, WE DID SOME ROUGH CALCULATIONS, BUT FOR PER EACH CLASSROOM AND OF COURSE THERE'S ECONOMIES OF SCALE, MORE CLASSROOMS YOU ADD AT ONE LOCATION, RELOCATED CLASSROOMS, YOU ADD.

BUT I THINK WE ESTIMATED BETWEEN 150,000 AND 200,000 PER CLASSROOM.

SO CERTAINLY IF YOU DO SIX, MAYBE THAT'S IT'S NOT THAT MUCH, MAYBE IT'S LESS.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE CONTINGENCY, IF THAT'S BASED ON A CERTAIN NUMBER OF CLASSROOMS, TO USE THAT AS YOUR YOUR PLANNING NUMBER.

CAN I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD? MR. HARRISON AND DR.

RIEF. MISS IGNACIO WAS CALLING THIS A QUICK QUESTION.

DOES THAT INCLUDE THE UTILITIES? YES. SO THAT'S AN INCLUSIVE NUMBER OF PLANNING DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION.

THE THE RELOCATED WELLS ARE FABRICATED OFFSITE.

SO DESIGNING THOSE AND THEN BRINGING THEM ON, SAY, ALL THAT'S INCLUDED INTO THAT NUMBER IS THE MAINTENANCE FACTORED INTO THAT.

NO MAINTENANCE COMES INTO THE OPERATING BUDGET.

SO THAT'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL IMPACT THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL HAVE TO.

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REEF IN THE MS. IGNACIO.

SO I KNOW WHEN WE HAD OUR CONVERSATION ON NOVEMBER 28TH ABOUT THE ENROLLMENT AND CAPACITY, YOU YOU ALL HAD THIS REALLY GREAT SLIDE ABOUT THE CLASSROOMS BY SCHOOL.

SO HOW MANY ELEMENTARY HOMEROOM CLASSROOMS THERE WERE IN EVERY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THEN HOW MANY WERE BEING USED? AND I KNOW SOME OF THEM LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, PATRICK HENRY IS USING ALL OF THEIR CLASSROOMS. WE HAD 60 STUDENTS OVER PROJECTION, OVER MORE THAN 60 STUDENTS OVER PROJECTION FOR THAT SCHOOL.

SO WHAT WHAT IS THE PLAN NEXT YEAR IF WE HAVE THAT SITUATION AGAIN AND THERE ARE NOT CLASSROOMS, ARE WE? I MEAN, ARE WE. CAPACITY TRANSFERRING THAN MORE STUDENTS? I JUST WANT TO KNOW.

SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT PLAN RIGHT NOW AS WE'RE LOOKING AT PROJECTION ENROLLMENT NUMBERS.

SO WE WILL HAVE AN UPDATE FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD REALLY SOON.

AND I'M NOT SURE I'M SORRY, I THINK I MAY HAVE CUT SOMEONE OFF, BUT WE ARE WORKING AND LOOKING AT PLANS TO ADDRESS THE GROWING POPULATION.

MS.. MISS IGNACIO.

SO THIS THIS SYSTEM HAS BEEN USING CABLES OFF AND ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND WE MOVE THEM AND THEN WE TAKE THEM BACK.

WE HAVE GOT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND WE WOULD BE REMISS IF WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE GET EVERY DAY, THAT WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM WITH THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT WE HAVE.

WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.

AND IF THAT PLAN IS TO SUPPORT RELOCATE TABLES, IF.

WHETHER IT'S PROGRAMMATIC, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT.

WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE WITH CAPACITY, PARTICULARLY IN OUR SECONDARY SCHOOLS, AND IT'S BECOMING A SAFETY AND SECURITY ISSUE.

SO I WOULD SUPPORT RELOCATE TABLES IF THAT IS OUR ONLY OPTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

WITH THAT DISCUSSION.

CAN WE ALSO TALK ABOUT THE DISCUSSION AND PRIORITIZATION OF CAPACITY TRANSFERS? YOU KNOW, THE BOARD HAVE THAT AS A PRIORITY AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING THAT ON HOLD.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS AS A PART OF WHERE WE WOULD PUT THESE CLASSROOMS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES, MS.. DR.

SIMPSON. THANK YOU.

YEAH. I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT IGNACIO SAID IN THAT I THINK THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE A PRIORITY.

I THINK MR. ALLENBY PUT RELOCATED HERE BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS.

AND IF THERE ARE BETTER SOLUTIONS, I THINK WE'D LOVE TO HEAR THEM.

BUT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THE WHEELS ARE TURNING IN.

SOMETHING'S COMING.

YES, THE WHEELS HAVE BEEN TURNING SINCE DAY ONE WHEN SCHOOL STARTED.

SO WE WILL WE DO HAVE SEVERAL PLANS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, BUT WE STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THE BOARD'S PRIORITIES AROUND CAPACITY TRANSFERS.

ALSO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE BOUNDARY DISCUSSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, MASTER SCHEDULING.

BUT ONCE WE HAVE SOME DIRECTION ABOUT CAPACITY TRANSFERS, THAT WILL IMPACT SOME OF OUR DECISIONS AND DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE ALSO HAVING.

GO AHEAD, MR. IGNACIO.

SORRY. I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT.

AND I RESPECT THE FACT WE'RE HAVING THAT AROUND CAPACITY TRANSFERS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE OPTIONS AT OUR SECONDARY SCHOOLS.

SO WE HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE, BECAUSE TRANSFERRING FROM ONE SCHOOL TO ANOTHER ISN'T AN OPTION AT THE SECONDARY LEVEL.

YES, OF COURSE. AND PART OF THE THE HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT AND SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS, I KNOW THAT'S TWO YEARS OUT.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME IMMEDIATE TWO YEAR PLANS FOR THAT.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING.

BUT THE ELEMENTARY AND THE MIDDLE AND K-8 SCHOOLS ARE THE ONES THAT WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE THE MOST IMPACT ON QUICKER.

MS.. IGNACIO FOR THAT.

ALL RIGHT. SO ARE WE READY TO DO 81 NOW? DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THE DELETE FIRST, MR. NEWBY? SO THE DELETE IS FROM THE SYSTEM WIDE.

LET ME GO BACK HERE. YEP.

THE SYSTEM WIDE LINE ITEM WHICH BASICALLY HAS AS NEEDED BASIS AND UPGRADES FOR INSTRUCTIONAL ENVIRONMENT. SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT CATEGORY ON PAGE 54 OF THE BUDGET.

TO REMOVE THE MONEY TO COVER THE.

SO THE WAY I LOOK AT THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS PRIORITIZATION.

SO IF THERE'S MONEY THERE TO BE USED AS NEEDED, IF WE NEED TRAILERS, WE USE THE MONEY FOR THAT.

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THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IN THE SCHOOL.

SO THERE ARE SEVERAL LINE ITEMS IN SYSTEM WIDE, SO STAFF WOULD NEED CLARIFICATION.

WHICH LINE ITEM? I BELIEVE IT MIGHT BE REFERRING TO RENOVATIONS AND RECONFIGURATIONS OR.

YES, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS PROBABLY THE ONE OR.

EMERGENCY REPAIRS.

THAT OR FURNITURE AND FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT.

SO EITHER ONE OF THOSE THREE, I THINK WOULD BE A SUITABLE DELETE.

SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO PUT THERE? WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT SPECIFICALLY WOULD GO.

IN A TWO IF THERE IF THE ASK IS TO DELETE SOMETHING, CORRECT THE SCHOOL.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE'LL HAVE TO PICK ONE.

IT'S IGNACIO. DO WE NOT HAVE A CAPACITY LINE ITEM IN THE CIP? WE USED TO. WE DO.

NOT ANYMORE.

THAT'S A THAT'S A PROBLEM.

WE MIGHT NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE REALIGN OUR CIP TO ADDRESS A CAPACITY LINE ITEM, BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN UTILIZED IN THE PAST, AND CLEARLY WE STILL NEED IT.

SO. JUST TO JUST FOR THAT HISTORY PREVIOUS IN PREVIOUS YEARS, BECAUSE OF THE CAPACITY ISSUES THAT WE HAD BEEN EXPERIENCING, THERE WAS A LARGE SUM FOR CAPACITY SLASH RELOCATE, AS I BELIEVE IT WAS, I WANT TO SAY, ABOUT 11 MILLION, AND I BELIEVE IN FY 2018. AND THAT WAS USED FOR VARIOUS CAPACITY PROJECTS THAT WE THAT WE HAD, INCLUDING THE RELOCATED TABLES THAT THAT MONEY HAS SINCE BEEN EXPENDED ON ON VARIOUS PROJECTS.

WE HAD A CAPACITY PLANNING LINE ITEM AS WELL, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO KIND OF SEPARATE OUT FROM THE PROJECT PLANNING AS SPECIFIC CAPACITY PLANNING, BUT JUST GIVEN DIFFERENT PRIORITIES AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'VE WE'VE HAD A BETTER PLAN AND PATH FORWARD WITH OUR MODERNIZATION PROJECTS.

IT WAS REMOVED AND CERTAINLY COULD BE ADDED AT THE BOARD'S DISCRETION.

DID YOU PICK? DON'T ANSWER BECAUSE I WANT TO BE SPECIFIC.

IF IT ENDS UP TO BE A DELETE, WE JUST NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT IS BEING DELETED FROM THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

SO MY FIRST MY FIRST ONE WOULD BE EMERGENCY REPAIRS AND THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE FURNITURE AND FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT.

SO MAYBE WE CAN SPLIT IT BETWEEN THE TWO.

IS THAT HELPFUL? THAT IS HELPFUL. IF IT'S HELPFUL FOR ME TO CLARIFY WHAT THOSE FUNDS ARE USED FOR.

OUR OPERATING BUDGET CANNOT SUSTAIN THE AMOUNT OF HVAC REPAIRS THAT WE HAVE TO DO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS WELL AS IN FURNITURE. WAS THE SECOND ONE EMERGENCY REPAIRS AND FURNITURE.

FURNITURE. I CAN THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE SOMETHING WE PRIORITIZE.

I WILL TELL YOU, WE SPEND ALL OF THAT MONEY BASED ON SCHOOL REQUESTS EVERY YEAR AND THEN SOME.

SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE WHAT WHAT THAT FUNDING IS USED FOR.

MS.. GREENE, I'D LIKE TO SAY I'M NOT COMFORTABLE TAKING ANYTHING FROM EMERGENCY REPAIRS, AND I'LL JUST LEAVE THAT THERE.

THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY WITH AGING BUILDINGS.

AND THEN I'D LIKE TO KNOW JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATE.

TOP OF YOUR HEAD, IF YOU MAY, MISS GULICK.

IF YOU MAY. AS I BELIEVE JUST A BASIC TRAILER COST ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 75000 OR MAYBE MORE.

AND LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ONLY ASKING FOR 400,000 FOR THIS.

IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT WOULD GIVE US THAT MANY TRAILERS TO HELP FIX OUR CAPACITY PROBLEM.

SO OUR OUR ESTIMATE ALL IN WITH DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, UTILITIES FIT OUT OF THESE RELOCATE TABLES IS BETWEEN 150,000 AND 200,000 PER CLASSROOM.

YES. YEAH.

WE'VE GOT TO REMEMBER THAT PER CLASSROOM.

THANK YOU. DR.

REEF AND THEN MR. HARRIS.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO WHAT MS..

IGNACIO WAS ASKING ABOUT, SO THAT SHE MADE A REALLY INTERESTING COMMENT THAT AT THE SECONDARY LEVEL, THERE'S NOT KNOW. WE HAVE BEEN USING CAPACITY REASSIGNMENT AS AN AS AN OPTION TO DEAL WITH CROWDING AT THE AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

BUT AT THE SECONDARY LEVEL, THAT'S NOT REALLY AN OPTION, IS IT?

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FRANCES HAMMOND AT GEORGE WASHINGTON AND AT KING STREET AND MINNIE HOWARD WHERE.

SO WHEREAS WE USE CAPACITY REASSIGNMENTS AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL, THE WAY YOU ACHIEVE MORE CAPACITY AT THE SECONDARY LEVEL IS THROUGH YOUR SCHEDULE AND, AND BEING MORE EFFICIENT WITH YOUR SCHEDULE.

SO THE REASON ALL OF THE THE SECONDARY SCHOOL, ONE OF THE REASONS ALL THE SECONDARY SCHOOLS ARE OVERCAPACITY IS BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN GEORGE WASHINGTON AND FRANCES HAYMAN, THOSE CLASSROOMS AREN'T THE SIZE THAT WE MEASURE THEM AGAINST.

SO IT SAYS THE CLASSROOM AT FRANCES HAMMOND IS 700 SQUARE FEET.

OUR ED SPEC SAYS IT SHOULD BE 850.

THAT'S BASED ON 25 KIDS IN A ROOM.

SO THE 700 SHOULD BE 20 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND WE AGGREGATE ALL OF THOSE AND WE ADD IN THIS FACTOR THAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE THE EFFICIENCY LEVEL WE'RE ACHIEVING FOR THE THE THE SCHEDULING OF THAT BUILDING. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR MASTER SCHEDULE AND OUR MASS MASTER SCHEDULERS AND OUR AND OUR ADMINISTRATIVE TEAMS AT THE HEIGHT, YOU'RE NOT THERE ANYMORE.

BUT AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND AT THE AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS DO A GREAT JOB MAKING THAT AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.

THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE FOR EACH CLASSROOM IN FRANCES HAMMOND OR GEORGE WASHINGTON OR KING STREET OR MINI HOWARD, IT IS NOT USED EVERY PERIOD OF EVERY DAY.

AND SO THE MORE YOU CAN IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAPACITY AND CLASSROOM CAPACITY, SPECIFICALLY CLASSROOM NEEDS, YOU USE YOUR SPACES MORE AND MORE EFFICIENTLY.

THAT'S THE ONLY INTERIM SOLUTION AS THE COMPARATIVE TO THE CAPACITY REASSIGNMENTS AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL.

THAT'S THE ONLY INTERIM SOLUTION YOU HAVE AT THE SECOND.

UM. MS.. BOOSE THEN IN YOUR IN YOUR MIND, BASED ON THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE SECONDARY, THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH SECONDARY, ARE THESE LEARNING COTTAGES NECESSARY? I MEAN, I'M ONE FROM THE FACILITIES PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT I CAN REPRESENT AND MR. BALL IS PROBABLY GOING TO TEXT ME OR SOMETHING HOPEFULLY SHUTS US OFF THE WE CAN WE CAN SCHEDULE MORE EFFICIENTLY.

THAT INVOLVES SOME THINGS, SOME CHALLENGES, RIGHT? IT MEANS TEACHERS DON'T GET TO STAY IN THEIR CLASSROOM.

IT MEANS THEY'VE GOT TO MOVE. THEY'VE GOT TO GO TO DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CLASSROOMS, WHICH IS THE ED SPEC IS BUILT BASED UPON THAT.

BUT WE TRY TO LIMIT THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

IT MEANS YOUR YOUR CLASSROOMS MAYBE AREN'T BEING USED FOR THE SAME SUBJECT ALL DAY OR THERE'S THERE'S IMPACTS TO STORAGE OF MATERIAL, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT LESS.

IT'S LESS CONVENIENT FOR FOR THE STAFF, PARTICULARLY AT THE SECONDARY LEVEL.

ALL RIGHT. I'M TAKING ONE MORE ON THIS BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT FOR THIS AD, $400,000 IS NOT GOING TO CUT IT. SO.

WE NEED TO IF WE ADD THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE STAFF COME BACK WITH A REAL NUMBER, WHICH IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN 400,000.

HOLD ON, PLEASE.

HOLD ON. SO I'M GOING TO GO.

I'M JUST STATING THAT SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR.

AND THEN MS..

IGNACIO AND THE MR. EL NEWBIE. SO THEN I'M GOING TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THE CAPACITY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT NOW IS OVER A LITTLE OVER 100% USED IN CLASSROOMS. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE SMALL CLASSROOMS SUCH AS CITYWIDE CLASSROOMS THAT ONLY HOLD ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 15 CHILDREN.

IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE A CLASS SIZE OF 30.

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AS A BOARD, WHAT THAT IS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT FOR OUR SECONDARY LEVEL AS A BOARD, IT IS OUR OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE OUR KIDS ARE IN A SAFE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT AND TO HAVE TEACHERS MOVING ALL OVER A BUILDING AND HAVE THEM MOVING FROM A MATH CLASSROOM AND HAULING ALL THEIR BOOKS TO A SOCIAL STUDIES CLASSROOM AFTER TWO YEARS OF LEARNING, LOSS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ACCEPTABLE FOR ANYBODY AROUND THIS TABLE.

I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A STRONG LOOK AT OUR STAFF, OUR ADMINISTRATORS, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN THOSE CLASSROOMS AND WHAT THEY'RE DEALING

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AND WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RELOCATE TABLES, BUT WE AS A BOARD ARE OBLIGATED TO DO SOMETHING TO MAKE SAFE LEARNING ENVIRONMENTS FOR OUR KIDS.

MS. SO WE'LL GO TO MR. NEWBY. BUT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO BE REALLY CLEAR ON THE SCHEDULING PIECE AS WELL, BECAUSE, I MEAN, HAVE WE LOOK DEEPLY AT SORT OF.

ALL OF OUR EFFORTS AND HOW THEY'RE BEING USED.

I'M JUST GOING TO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AN HONEST CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AT SOME POINT.

MAYBE NOT RIGHT NOW.

BUT I THINK THAT CONVERSATION SHOULD PROBABLY BE HAD.

MR. AL NEWBY.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, LET'S HAVE IT RIGHT NOW.

JUST KIDDING. SO.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION, BUT I AGREE WITH IGNACIO, AND PART OF THE REASON I'M PUTTING THIS IN IS I MENTIONED EARLIER, LIKE YOU, IT IMPACTS TEACHERS MORALE.

YOU DON'T WANT TEACHERS TEACHING OUT OF A CAR MOVING BETWEEN CLASSROOMS. I MEAN, MAYBE WE WILL.

WE'RE DOING THAT ALREADY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT, LIKE, WHEN DO YOU STOP AND YOU REALLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING? AND THIS IS THE THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THIS, LIKE HAVING A PLAN, ESSENTIALLY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT HAVING A PLAN AND HAVING MONEY THERE IN CASE WE NEED THAT PLAN.

THIS IS THE IDEA BEHIND ALL OF THIS.

RIGHT. SO WHAT I JUST HEARD IS $400,000 IS NOT GOING TO CUT IT.

SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS KIND OF SOMETHING KIND OF WHAT WE DID EARLIER IS LIKE IF STAFF CAN PUT MORE BETTER INFORMATION TOGETHER, MORE SYNTHESIZE INFORMATION AND HOW MUCH WE REALLY NEED, AND THEN MAYBE THE IMPACTS OF DELETING SOME OF THIS MONEY FROM THE THREE OR FOUR LINE ITEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

SO THAT WAY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY'RE IMPACTING.

YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.

SO THAT'S A SUGGESTION.

ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO ASK FOR THUMBS UP FOR 81.

UH, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, FIVE.

THUMBS UP FOR 81.

I'M ASSUMING I HAVE FOUR THUMBS DOWN FOR 81.

AND THEN AE2, WHICH IS A DELETE.

HOW MANY THUMBS UP DO WE HAVE FOR 82? TWO, THREE, FOUR.

WE HAVE FIVE THUMBS UP FOR A TWO.

FOUR THUMBS DOWN FOR 82.

ALL RIGHT, MR. BUZZ, YOU'RE UP.

SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST.

I'M KIDDING. WELL, WE ONLY HAVE TWO TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE WE HANDLED CASEY, TOO.

SO, CASEY, BE ONE.

I HAVE HEARD SO MUCH FROM OUR PRESENT DAY COMMUNITY THAT WHEN WE BUILT THE SCHOOL AND WE PUT THIS OUTDOOR SPACE ON TOP OF THE SCHOOL, THAT WAS EXCITING.

HOWEVER, WE DON'T HAVE A CENTRAL LOCATION WHEN WHEN WE'RE NOT IN SCHOOL HOURS FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TOGETHER TO PLAY AS WE DO FOR ALL OF OUR OTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

SO THE INTENT AND I KNOW SPACE IS REALLY LIMITED.

I'M ALSO REFLECT ON THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL COMING HERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO NEED A PLACE TO GATHER.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT. MACARTHUR, MY KIDS ARE GOING TO MACARTHUR, AND THERE'S MULTIPLE TIMES THAT THEY'LL JUST GO PLAY AT THE MACARTHUR SWING SPACE SPACE AS A COLLECTIVE LOCATION.

SO KNOW ONE, IS IT FEASIBLE? AND TWO, EVEN IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE YOUR STANDARD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SIZE PLAY SPACE BECAUSE WE'RE LIMITED ON SPACE, BUT HAVING SOMETHING THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN THAT AREA IN THE WEST END CAN ACCESS TO PLAY.

AND I DON'T KNOW ALSO IF THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WITH PARTNERING WITH WINKLER IN THE CITY TOO, BECAUSE IT'S VERY CLOSE TO TO THE SCHOOL PROPERTY AS WELL.

BUT THAT WAS A TENT.

AND I JUST I USE I DIDN'T PUT IT IN FOR THIS COMING YEAR.

I PUT IT IN FOR THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR.

AND I JUST USE THE 500,000, WHICH IS BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN OTHER PLAY SPACES LISTED.

MADAM CHAIR, WE HAVE A HAND UP FOR MR. TURNER. I WAS GOING TO CALL MR. TURNER. MR. TURNER. YEAH.

SO MY QUESTION IS FOR THE THE LAST TWO THAT WE JUST VOTED ON, 81 AND 82, I THINK I HEARD MR.

[02:00:03]

IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY.

THANK YOU. YOU, MR. TURNER. OKAY, SO THIS WAS JUST AN AD.

THERE WAS NO DELETE RELATED TO IT, RIGHT.

BECAUSE THIS IS AN AD FOR FY 2025.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A STAFF RESPONSE TO THAT? SO IT CAN IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT WE ADD.

AGAIN, WE ARE REALLY LIMITED ON SPACE AS PART OF THIS WING SPACE DESIGN.

THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT OUTDOOR PLAY OPTIONS.

BUT AS FAR AS A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT.

BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT A PLACE BASED FOR 1703 IS INCLUDED AS PART OF THAT SCOPE.

RIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO THE INTENT WAS NOT TO CHANGE THAT SCOPE.

OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED THAT IN WHATEVER SPACE, BECAUSE THE SPACE IS SO LIMITED, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE AN ENTIRE THE WHAT YOU NEED IN TERMS OF THE PLAY SPACE FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BUT HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE OUTSIDE THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN CAN GATHER AND USE OR TEACHERS COULD USE DURING THE SCHOOL DAY.

AS AN ALTERNATIVE, I THINK WOULD BE IDEAL AND IT WOULD REALLY KIND OF HELP SUPPORT THAT COMMUNITY WHO'S BEEN ASKING FOR A CENTRAL LOCATION TOGETHER.

AND DR. SIMPSON BAIRD.

HOW MUCH OF THE AREA LAND OR IMPERMEABLE SPACE AROUND THE BUILDINGS DO WE OWN? WE OWN ALL OF IT. WE OWN THAT WHOLE BLOCK.

THERE'S THERE'S SEVERAL SITE CONSTRAINTS, THOUGH, AND MISS BARTLETT CAN JUMP INTO.

THERE'S A LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG NORTH BEAUREGARD.

SO BASICALLY THAT WHOLE SIDE OF THE STREET ALONG NORTH BEAUREGARD BETWEEN RAYBURN AND HIGH VIEW IS HAS TO STAY AS IS THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER THERE IS THAT SO REALLY ALL WE'RE LEFT WITH IS THE AREA BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES.

THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF HER.

90 DAY IS AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS.

SO IT HAS TO REMAIN CLEAR.

I AM THINKING THAT WE WILL LIKELY REQUIRE SOMETHING SIMILAR OR OR NEED TO RECONFIGURE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS FOR THE SWING SPACE ON OUR SIDE TO ENSURE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO ENOUGH SIDES OF THE BUILDING.

FIRE TRUCKS HAVE ACCESS TO ENOUGH SIDES OF THE BUILDING.

THERE IS A PLAY SPACE EXISTING IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, WHICH IS GODDARD'S PLAY SPACE, WHICH WE DON'T USE, WE CAN'T SHARE.

SO REALLY THAT LEAVES US WITH A KIND OF SMALL PORTION OF THAT MIDDLE COURTYARD AREA THAT MAYBE COULD BE REWORKED.

NOW THAT WE OWN BOTH PROPERTIES, POTENTIALLY WE COULD TAKE THE WALL DOWN, WE COULD REWORK SOME OF THAT AREA, BUT IT IS PRETTY SMALL.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY WITH US, WITH US PURCHASING 1703.

OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE MUCH LESS THAN THAT OF AN OFFICE BUILDING, SO MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND PLAY SPACE ON TOP OR WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGE AGAIN, AS WE DID. BUT EVEN THOUGH SO, EVEN EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE WE OWN THE WHOLE BLOCK, THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF A LOT WE'D BE ABLE TO DO.

THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH SPACE AVAILABLE.

AND LIKE THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, IS THAT WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT PARKING OR EMERGENCY VEHICLES BEHIND THE PARKING GARAGE? YEAH. LIKE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, I GUESS THE FRONT FOR AN ENTITY WHICH FEELS LIKE THE BACK BECAUSE IT'S LIKE IT'S NOT THE SIDE OF NORTH BEAUREGARD, LIKE THAT AREA TO THE RIGHT AND BEHIND IT. RIGHT THERE.

WHAT'S THAT? SO THAT IS A DRY VIAL.

WHERE? IT'S A DRY VIAL THAT GOES IN BETWEEN ALL THE BUILDINGS.

THAT'S WHERE OUR CURRENT PARENT PICK UP AND DROP OFF IS.

AND IT ALSO IS PART OF THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS FOR THOSE BUILDINGS.

DR. REEF, SINCE YOU MENTIONED THE WALL, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE WALL COME DOWN, BUT I DID WANT TO ASK ABOUT I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING THIS WEEK AND I WASN'T ABLE TO TUNE IN.

I SEE THE SLIDES ARE ONLINE AS THE VIDEO.

IS THE RECORDING GOING TO BE POSTED? THE RECORDING WILL BE POSTED.

WE HAVE TO DO CLOSED CAPTIONING OF ALL OF THOSE WHICH WHICH TAKES SOME TIME.

IT'S NOT COMPLETELY. NO, THANK YOU.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION I NEED CLARITY ON BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY PROJECT PLANNING.

THAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE FOR THE SPACE.

IS AN ADDITIONAL 500,000 NEEDED TO, I GUESS, DO WHAT MS..

BOOS IS ASKING OR CAN NOT JUST BE A PART OF THE.

PROCESS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

[02:05:02]

SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT MS..

BOOS ADDED THE ADDED $500,000 TO ACTUALLY CREATE A PLACE FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF A COMMUNITY PLAYSPACE IN THE EVENT THAT IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE 1703 SCOPE BASICALLY TO SERVE BOTH SCHOOLS.

NO, I GUESS THE INTENT WAS TO BECAUSE I KNEW I KNOW THAT HE WAS ALREADY DOING THAT AT 73, BUT THAT WOULD BE A SPACE THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN'T ACCESS OUT OF SCHOOL HOURS.

CORRECT. IF IT'S AGAIN LOCATED ON TOP OF THE PARKING GARAGE, BUT IF IT ENDS UP BEING SOMETHING AT GRADE LEVEL, THEN PUBLIC ACCESS COULD BE SOMETHING WE EXPLORE. SO THIS WAS THE 500,000, ASSUMING THAT IT WOULD BE ANOTHER PLAY SPACE AT THE 1703 THAT WOULD BE ON THE PARKING GARAGE.

WHAT I REALLY AGAIN, THE INTENT IS TO FIND SOMETHING OUTDOORS WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN ACCESS IN AND OUT OF SCHOOL HOURS OR SPECIFICALLY OUT OF SCHOOL HOURS, NOT IN SCHOOL HOURS. SO THEN GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION FOR CLARITY.

THIS IS SOMETHING.

IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD REQUEST OR ASK FOR AS A PART OF THE SCOPE.

OF THE DESIGN, WOULD WE NEED 500,000 ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT? SO WE DON'T KNOW, I GUESS.

YEAH. SO, SO WE WON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACHIEVE IT.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT YOU NEED TO DIRECT US TO INCLUDE IT IN THE SCOPE, IT'S THAT WE'RE NOT SO SURE IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE BECAUSE FOR THE PLAYSPACE, FOR THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS THERE MAY NEED TO GO ON TOP OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

THAT BEING SAID, BY THE TIME WE'RE IN THE CFP PROCESS NEXT FALL, WE MAY KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS ACHIEVED AND IN FY 25 CAN, CAN ESTABLISH THAT OR IF THIS IF THIS AD PASSES, CAN KEEP THAT PROJECT OR DECIDE THAT'S NOT A PROJECT WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN FY 25 CIP NEXT YEAR.

THING I DO WANT TO ADD IS THAT $500,000, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF PLAYGROUND OR PLAY SPACE YOU'RE LOOKING AT, PROBABLY WON'T BE ENOUGH.

I WAS JUST PULLING AND LOOKING AT ALL OF THE PLAY SPACES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN THE OTHER CFP AND IT WAS LIKE 500,000 FOR DIFFERENT SCHOOLS.

SO I WAS USING THAT FUND NOW.

AGAIN, IF THIS IS AGAIN, IF THIS IS GOING TO BE BOTH AND LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS, I WAS JUST ASSUMING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE THE GARAGE AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL ACCESS.

SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IT MAY BE LESS THAN $500,000 FOR THIS ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR SPACE THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN ACCESS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A MUCH SMALLER.

OK. I THINK THE ONLY LAST QUESTION THAT WOULD HELP ME THEN IS FROM A.

STAFF PERSPECTIVE.

WHAT I WOULD WANT CLARITY ON IS.

I GUESS, IS IT HELPFUL TO ADD $500,000 IN FY 2025 AT THIS STAGE? THAT'S JUST. HONESTLY, IT'S UP TO IT'S UP TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO ADD IT NOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE SETTING THE EXPECTATION AND AND THE THE PUBLIC MESSAGE THAT YOU'VE INCLUDED THAT AS A CONSIDERATION, WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE 1703 SCOPE, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ADD.

OKAY, THAT'S ALL I NEEDED.

LET ME JUST CHECK.

AND THERE'S NO DELETE RELATED TO THIS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO DO.

CASEY B WON, RIGHT? THUMBS UP FOR CASEY B ONE.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NINE THUMBS UP FOR CASE ONE.

SHOULD I MOVE ON TO THE LAST ONE? YES, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE AT THE HOMEWARD STRETCH, SO CASEY B THREE, I REALLY SHOULD HAVE.

SO I BASICALLY WAS LOOKING AT I PAID CLOSE ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE WORK THAT BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAS BEEN DOING ON MONITORING CO TWO TO IN THEIR CLASSROOMS, EACH INDIVIDUAL CLASSROOM.

I REALLY SHOULD HAVE SAID MORE OF LIKE THE INDOOR AIR QUALITY MEASUREMENTS.

SO IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO CO TWO, WHICH WOULD BE CO TWO CO AIRBORNE PARTICLES, RESPIRATORY TEMPERATURE, RELATIVE HUMIDITY.

[02:10:07]

AND ALSO KEEPING IN MIND THAT WHILE I KNOW WE HAVE SOME CO TWO MONITORS WITHIN THE HVAC SYSTEM, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN EACH INDIVIDUAL CLASSROOM, CORRECT? NO, THEY'RE ASSOCIATED BY UNIT, WHICH MIGHT SERVE LIKE THREE OR FOUR CLASSROOMS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH. YEAH. AND SO ARE THEY IN.

SO THE, THE CHALLENGE THERE IS THAT ARE THEY REALLY GETTING THE MEASUREMENTS OF THE INDOOR AIR QUALITY THROUGHOUT THE DAY IN DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY? BECAUSE DEPENDING ON TOWARD THE END OF THE DAY, YOUR CO TWO LEVELS MAY BE GOING UP HIGHER WITHIN THE CLASSROOM.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE BEST AIR QUALITY IN ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT CLASSROOMS AND HAVE THIS TO HAVE SOME MEASUREMENTS SO WE CAN DO SOME MITIGATION WORK.

IF WE REALIZE THAT A COUPLE OF CLASSROOMS AT GEORGE MASON ARE REALLY THE LEVELS ARE GOING HIGH OR AT ONE OF OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND SEEING WHAT ADJUSTMENTS WE CAN MAKE THERE. AND PARTICULARLY WITH ALL OF THESE RESPIRATORY VIRUSES THAT WE'RE HAVING, NOT JUST COVID 19, BUT YOU'RE SEEING THIS LIKE SUCH AN UPTICK IN RESPIRATORY VIRUSES AND FLU AND JUST MAKING SURE WE DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO TO STAY ON TOP OF HAVING THE BEST LEARNING ENVIRONMENT.

AND ALSO WE KNOW THAT CO HIGH CO TWO LEVELS CAN IMPACT QUALITY LEARNING TOO.

SO BUT WHAT I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T PUT MONEY IN HERE BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS.

I'M SURE WE COULD I TRY TO LOOK THROUGH BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS RFP BUT THEY DIDN'T PUT A FIGURE NUMBER.

NOW, GRANTED, THEY HAVE WAY MORE SCHOOLS THAN WE DO.

SO I DON'T KNOW THE COST, BUT MY MY HOPE WAS THAT THIS COULD COME OUT OF ANY REMAINING ESSER FUNDING.

DO WE HAVE A STAFF RESPONSE? SURE. THANK YOU. SO WE WE AREN'T AWARE OF THE COST PER CLASSROOM.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO.

I WOULD ALSO SAY AS FAR AS FACILITIES, INDOOR AIR QUALITY, ESSER FUNDING WE HAVE SPENT, IT'S PRETTY MUCH SO THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH LEFT IN ESSER UNLESS WE'RE REPRIORITIZING FROM SOMETHING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED AS A NEED THROUGH THAT GRANT.

ALSO, IN JUST SPEAKING ABOUT HOW WE PRIORITIZE OUR MONEY, WE ARE AND YOU MENTIONED HOW THERE ARE OTHER POLLUTANTS OUTSIDE OF CO TWO OR THINGS THAT COULD IMPACT YOUR AIR QUALITY OUTSIDE OF CO TWO.

SO THAT'S JUST ONE CONSIDERATION FOR FOR CO TWO SENSORS AND INDIVIDUAL CLASSROOMS. AND THEN IT SEEMS LIKE AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING, WE WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND WHILE THAT MAY BE A GREAT COMMUNICATION TOOL, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN EXPENSE THAT'S IMPROVING YOUR AIR QUALITY.

AND SO AND ESPECIALLY WITH OUR AGING FACILITIES AND THE AMOUNT OF REPAIRS AND EQUIPMENT WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO, WE'VE BEEN SPENDING OUR MONEY ON ON THOSE THINGS, ACTUALLY GETTING THINGS REPAIRED, ACTUALLY MAKING SURE THAT OUR ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS ARE UP TO DATE AND THAT WE'RE PROPERLY MAINTAINING THEM.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE DO ON ALL OF OUR WE HAVE BUILDING AUTOMATION CONTROL IN ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS, ON OUR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT NOW, WHICH DOES MONITOR FOR CO TWO. AND WHILE IT ISN'T AT THE CLASSROOM LEVEL, IT IS IT IS CONTINUOUS.

SO IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE ONLY TAKE THE READING IN THE MORNING AND IT IS CONTINUOUS.

WE CAN SET UP TRENDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND OUR TEAM IS ALERTED IF EVER WE HAVE ANY ANY.

ELEVATED LEVEL.

SORRY. MY WORDS ELEVATED LEVEL OF CO TWO OR OTHER OR HUMIDITY OR OTHER OTHER ISSUES IN THE BUILDING.

THEY ALSO. SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, OUR SYSTEMS ARE BUILDING, AUTOMATION SYSTEMS ARE ACTUALLY SET UP.

SO IF WE HAVE 1000 PARTS PER MILLION OF CO TWO THAT'S REACHED THE, IT BRINGS IN MORE OUTDOOR AIR TO ELIMINATE THAT.

AND SO SO AS AN AUTOMATICALLY DOES THAT, IT'S NOT LIKE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO.

WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND FIX ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST HAPPENING IN MOST CASES.

WE HAVE A COUPLE COUPLE OF UNITS WHERE THAT ISN'T THE CASE.

AND SO FOR I JUST SAY THAT TO SAY FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WORK THAT MIGHT GO INTO PUTTING SENSORS IN EVERY CLASSROOM TO BE ABLE TO PUBLICLY REPORT OUR INDOOR AIR QUALITY, WE COULD EITHER.

STAFF FEELS WE COULD BETTER SPEND THAT MONEY ACTUALLY DOING REPAIRS AND ACTUALLY UPGRADING OUR SYSTEMS AND AND CAN WORK WITHIN THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE TO RUN TRENDS OR ANY KIND OF REPORTS THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD WAS LOOKING TO SEE.

[02:15:02]

I APPRECIATE THAT. SO WITH THE SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, ARE YOU DO YOU HAVE GOOD COVERAGE? AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME CLASSROOMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MORE TROUBLE, TROUBLE CLASSROOMS THAN OTHERS THAT THE AIR QUALITY IS NOT IS GOING TO BE HIGHER BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CLASSES, THERE'S A LOT OF STUDENTS IN THAT CLASSROOM AT A PARTICULAR TIME OF THE DAY.

YES. AND I WILL SAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE TEAM WE'VE RECENTLY GOT GOTTEN OUR BUILDING AUTOMATION SYSTEMS TO THIS LEVEL.

SO THE TEAM HASN'T NECESSARILY BEEN SUPER FOCUSED ON THIS, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TURN OUR FOCUS TO TO SEE WHAT THE WHAT THE TRENDS ARE LIKE ACROSS THE DIVISION.

I JUST KNOW THAT IF IF EVER IT'S EXCEEDING A LEVEL THAT IT'S NOT EVEN CONSIDERED DANGEROUS, BUT THAT WE WE AREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH.

WE'RE ALERTED AND AND THE SYSTEM RESPONDS TO THAT TO TO ELIMINATE THE ISSUE.

SO IT'S NOT DONE TO THAT LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY.

JUST TO TO ALSO COMMENT.

SOMETIMES THESE FOUR FOR EXAMPLE, LAST WEEK WE HAD A CO TWO SENSOR GOING OFF.

WE THOUGHT WE HAD AN ISSUE. WE GOT OVER THERE.

IT WAS JUST THE SENSOR WAS BAD.

AND SO THEN WE MIGHT BE CREATING UNNECESSARILY ALARM IN THE COMMUNITY FOR IF WE'RE SHARING THESE THINGS WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO TO RESPOND IMMEDIATELY AND GET IT ADDRESSED.

YEAH. I GUESS FOR ME WITH THIS ONE BOTTOM LINE IS, I MEAN, I THINK THEIR REPORTING TOO IS GREAT AND GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE BEST QUALITY AIR.

AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING SO HARD ON THIS.

SO KUDOS, KUDOS TO YOU.

I JUST. WITH THESE AGING BUILDINGS, THAT ADDS THIS EXTRA CHALLENGE.

SO I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING THE WORK, BUT JUST ALSO HAVING SOME BASELINE DATA THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO GO TO TO SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT A CHALLENGE AT THIS PARTICULAR SCHOOL OR IN THIS PARTICULAR CLASS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

MR. BAILEY? YES.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

MS.. GOULET, WHEN THAT ALARM ACTIVATES ON ONE OF THOSE HVAC SYSTEMS, WHO DOES IT? WHO GETS THAT ALARM? OUR BUILDING SYSTEMS STAFF IN OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.

OK. AND THEN WHAT DO THEY DO? SO THEY THEY MAY GO AND MAKE SURE THAT THE TO THE SITE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE EQUIPMENT IS FUNCTIONING PROPERLY.

BUT THEY ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THE THE CONTROLS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, THE SEQUENCING WE HAVE IN PLACE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE OCCURS.

AND IF THE SEAL IF IT'S HIGH, YOU SAID ONE UNIT MAY FUNCTION.

THREE OR FOUR CLASSROOMS. SO IT WOULD BE ALL THREE OR FOUR CLASSROOMS. YES. YES, IT WOULD BE IMPACT.

AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT SORRY, WE HAVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF EQUIPMENT ALL OVER.

SO WE HAVE SOME THAT MIGHT BE SERVING.

THEY SERVE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF OF SPACE DEPENDING ON THE THE EQUIPMENT AND THE CAPACITY OF THAT EQUIPMENT.

BUT YES, IN THAT CASE, IF IT WAS A ROOFTOP UNIT THAT WAS SERVING THREE OR FOUR CLASSROOMS, IT WOULD BE THOSE THREE OR FOUR CLASSROOMS THAT ARE READING AT THAT LEVEL.

I MEAN, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE HERE AS IT RELATES TO SEAL TWO, I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T TOUCH ON IT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO.

JUST I MEAN, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT'S THE SILENT KILLER.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT AFFECT YOU NOW, BUT IT COULD AFFECT YOU LATER.

40% OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED AFFECTS THEM LATER AFTER THE FACT.

SO HAVE WE EVER HAD ANY ISSUES WITH SOMEONE WITH IT AFFECTING SOMEONE IN A CLASSROOM OR.

AN OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT I CAN CHECK WITH THE TEAM AT THERE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHECK TO GIVE YOU ANY MORE WORK THAN YOU ALREADY HAVE.

SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

JUST CURIOUS. BUT I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AS WELL.

YOU'RE TRYING TO INSTEAD OF THESE ALARMS, PUTTING ALL THESE ALARMS OUT THERE.

YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT THE FUNDING TOWARDS FIXING IT, FIXING THE SYSTEM.

SO THANK YOU.

MR. NEWBY.

SO THE STAFF NOTE HERE SAYS THAT ESSER FUNDS MAY BE USED FOR THAT, RIGHT? SO AND BUT LOOKS LIKE A FUND, A COST ESTIMATE CAN BE PREPARED AND DETERMINED.

SO I DON'T ALSO DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU ANY WORK, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING MAYBE THAT WE CAN GET DEFINITIVE ANSWER FOR NEXT TIME.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY IF WE'RE VOTING UP OR DOWN, WE KNOW IF IT'S COMING OUT OF ESSER COMING OUT OF OUR CIP.

I THINK WE CONCLUDED THERE IS NOT MUCH ESSER FUNDING LEFT UNLESS THEY REPRIORITIZED WHAT'S ALREADY PRIORITIZED.

OH, I'M SORRY. SO ALL ESSER THREE THAT LIKE THE 33 MILLION THAT STILL UNSPENT.

[02:20:04]

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHICH PROGRAM OR PROJECT WE WOULD NOT WANT TO DO TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

SORRY. SO THIS IS CASEY THREE.

IT WOULD BE AN AD.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A NUMBER.

SO I NEED A THUMBS UP FOR KCB THREE.

YEAH. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.

SO. ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.

ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX.

THUMBS UP FOR KCB THREE.

OK. SO WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE WORK SESSION NUMBER TWO.

UM. DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US AT THIS POINT, MR. TURNER? NO, MA'AM.

NOTHING LEFT FROM ME.

I THINK I HAVE IT. ALL RIGHT.

NOW, WE WILL ADD THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE VOTING YES TO AND TO THE BUDGET.

AND WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THE COST ESTIMATES THAT STAFF DEVELOP NEXT WORK SESSION.

AT THAT WORK SESSION, ONCE WE HAVE THE COST ESTIMATES, WE'LL NEED ANOTHER YES OR NO ON THAT TO SEE IF WE WANT TO ADD THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING INTO THE CIP.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[3. Preliminary Compensation Overview]

SO I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S GOING BACK TO MR. TURNER, BUT I'LL LET DR.

KAY WHITE OR MR. EASILY TO. HE'S HERE.

NO, IT'S THE FULL TEAM TONIGHT, MADAM CHAIR.

IT'S THE FULL TEAM.

WE NEED BACKUP.

SO, YES, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. TURNER AND TO MR. EASLEY. THANK YOU. MR. EASLEY TOLD ME. NO, MR. EASLEY DOESN'T GET TO SAY NO.

THANK YOU, MR. TURNER.

APPRECIATE IT. I'M NOT SURE.

DO WE HAVE SOMEONE THERE IN THE ROOM THAT'S GOING TO SHARE THE PRESENTATION OR.

NO, CLERKS.

ARE ONE OF YOU GOING TO SHARE THE PRESENTATION? MADAM. MADAM CLERK.

ARE YOU GOING TO SHARE THE PRESENTATION FOR? MR. TURNER. MR. NIELSEN SAID THAT SHE WILL SHARE THE PRESENTATION FOR YOU.

AWESOME. I APPRECIATE IT, SUSAN.

AND I APOLOGIZE. I COULDN'T BE THERE IN PERSON TONIGHT.

I AM DEALING WITH STREP THROAT SO YOU WON'T SEE ME WITH MY ANTIBIOTICS.

BETTER.

THANK YOU, SUSAN.

SO WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE PRELIMINARY COMP OVERVIEW.

WE TAKE A LOOK AT SEVERAL OF OUR LARGER JOB CLASSES THROUGHOUT ACPS AND DO THE COMPARISON WITH WHERE WE FALL AMONGST SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS OR SURROUNDING SCHOOL DIVISIONS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO WE FIRST TAKE A LOOK AT THE RECENT PAY ACTIONS OF US AND SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS.

WE HAVE SIX JURISDICTIONS HERE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION ON FOR THEIR PAST PAY ACTIONS.

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WE'RE LOOKING TO DO ANOTHER FIVE AND A QUARTER NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE TEN AND A QUARTER OVER THE TWO YEAR PERIOD THAT THE STATE WAS WAS PROVIDING FUNDING FOR. SO YOU'LL SEE HOW THE PAY INCREASES IN THE CURRENT YEAR HAS AFFECTED WHERE SOME OF OUR SALARY SCALES RANK AMONG THE OTHER SCHOOL DIVISIONS.

YOU'LL SEE THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THE OTHER SCHOOL DIVISIONS PROVIDED THAT 6 TO 8%.

AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OF OUR SOME OF OUR PAY SCALES ARE NO LONGER IN THE TOP THIRD OR THE TOP HALF.

BUT WE DO BELIEVE WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE GOING INTO FISCAL YEAR 2024 TO ADDRESS THIS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO STAY COMPETITIVE WITH EMPLOYEE PAY SO WE CAN RECRUIT AND RETAIN OUR QUALITY STAFF HERE IN ACP.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR TOTAL COMPENSATION, THIS IS BOTH SALARY AS WELL AS EMPLOYEE BENEFITS.

WE'RE STILL DOING VERY WELL WHEN IT COMES TO OUR AVERAGE TEACHER PACKAGE.

WHEN THE TOP THIRD OUT OF THE NINE SCHOOL DIVISIONS THAT PARTICIPATE IN OAB.

SO THIS IS YOUR SALARY, YOUR RETIREMENT, YOUR DENTAL AND HEALTH BENEFITS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HELPING US WITH THE TOTAL COMPENSATION PACKAGES ARE EXCELLENT HEALTH BENEFITS THAT WE PROVIDE.

WE HAD A CONSULTANT DO A STUDY ON OUR HEALTH BENEFITS A WHILE AGO WHERE THEY SHOW THAT ESSENTIALLY ACP IS PROVIDING 91%, $0.91 ON THE DOLLAR FOR STAFF'S HEALTH BENEFITS.

OUR EMPLOYEES COVER 10 TO 20% OF THEIR MONTHLY PREMIUM, WHEREAS WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO OTHER SCHOOL DIVISIONS, THEY'RE PAYING ANYWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 45% OF THEIR MONTHLY PREMIUMS. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE OUR TOTAL PACKAGE A LOT HIGHER THAN SOME OF OUR SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THEN WE ALSO WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE AVERAGE TEACHER'S SALARY.

AND THIS GRAPH SHOWS TWO THINGS.

ONE IS THE ANNUAL SALARY.

AND THEN THE LINE IS YOU'LL SEE THE DOLLARS PER HOUR BECAUSE THE TEACHERS IN THE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS HAVE DIFFERENT CONTRACT ONES.

THAT AFFECTS YOUR PAY PER HOUR.

SO A LOT OF THE TIMES IT'S NOT THAT OTHER SCHOOL DIVISIONS ARE PAYING MORE.

THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO WORK MORE.

THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE WORKING MORE, YOU SHOULD GET PAID MORE.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS ASPS AVERAGE TEACHER PAY IS THIS THIRD OR THIRD WHEN YOU LOOK AT AVERAGE SALARY.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT DOLLARS PER HOUR, IT'S ACTUALLY SECOND.

AND WE'LL SHOW MORE INTO THAT AND SOME OF THE OTHER PAY SCALES AS WELL.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THEN WE WE HAVE THREE TEACHER SKILLS WITH A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, MASTER'S DEGREE, THEN MASTER'S PLUS 30.

SO WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE FOR OUR BACHELOR'S DEGREE, THE BOTTOM OF OUR SCALE HAS FALLEN TO NINE.

THE MIDDLE OF OUR SCALE IS STILL VERY, VERY COMPETITIVE.

IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AT FOUR.

AND THEN THE TOP OF THE SCALE IS AT SEVEN CURRENTLY.

AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID ON THE FIRST SLIDE, WHERE OTHER DIVISIONS IN THE CURRENT YEAR PROVIDED A SIX OR 8% INCREASE AND WE PROVIDED THE FIVE AND A QUARTER.

WE HAVE PLANS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 TO DO THE SAME AGAIN.

ALL OF THE SCHOOL DIVISIONS ARE TRYING TO DO THE 10% OVER THE TWO YEARS AND SOME OF THE OTHER SCHOOL DIVISIONS HAVE FRONTLOADED IT IN THE CURRENT YEAR.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO COMPARE THE ANNUAL SALARY VERSUS THE DOLLARS PER HOUR.

AND THIS IS FOR THE TOP OF THIS SCALE AGAIN.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ON TOP OF THE SCALE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DOLLARS PER HOUR ACTUALLY MOVES UP IN RANK TO FIVE OUT OF NINE FOR THE JURISDICTIONS.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT CONTRACT LIMITS FOR TEACHERS.

THAT'S DAYS PER YEAR.

AND THEN THE HOURS PER DAY IS WHAT AFFECTS THAT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO A TEACHER, A TEACHER, SALARY, MASTER'S DEGREE.

THIS IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF OUR TEACHERS ARE.

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SO FOR ALL OF THE BOTTOM, MIDDLE AND TOP, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN THE MIDDLE FOR EACH LEVEL OF THIS SCALE.

SO. WHEN WE GO TO 2024, HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE AN INCREASE IN ALL OF THESE BECAUSE WE'RE BANKING ON THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED IS BOTH TO INCREASE THE BOTTOM OF THE SCALE AND THE TOP OF THE SCALE, AS WELL AS TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THAT OTHER FIVE AND A QUARTER PERCENT INCREASE TO GET TO THE COMBINED 10% INCREASE OVER THE TWO YEARS.

NEXT SLIDE. SAME CASE WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE DOLLARS PER HOUR, THE TOP OF THIS SCALE ACTUALLY IS HIGHER.

YOU ACTUALLY EARN MORE HERE AND ASPS THAN OTHER SCHOOL DIVISIONS.

AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE CONTRACT WENT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. I'M SORRY.

BUT OUR MASTERS PLUS 30 IS RIGHT WHERE OUR MASTER'S DEGREE WAS AGAIN, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK OF ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS.

SO AGAIN, WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT 2020 FOR THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE OPERATING BUDGET OR THE COMBINED FUNDS BUDGET, WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS WILL MOVE UP. NEXT SLIDE.

AGAIN, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE DOLLARS PER HOUR, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE ACTUALLY MOVE INTO THE TOP THIRD OF ALL OF THE WAIVER JURISDICTIONS VERSUS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ANNUAL SALARY, IT WAS FIVE.

BUT WHEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN TO SEE HOW MUCH ARE YOU ACTUALLY EARNING PER HOUR, WE MOVE UP INTO THE TOP THIRD FOR THE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

INSTRUCTIONAL ASSISTANTS.

SO FOR INSTRUCTIONAL ASSISTANTS AND BUS DRIVERS, YOU'LL SEE BOTH THE FIRST STEP IN THE TOP STEP.

THIS IS BECAUSE THESE EMPLOYEES ARE HOURLY EMPLOYEES, AND THEN THIS IS ALSO HOW IT'S PRESENTED IN THE GUIDE.

IF WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE MEDIAN FOR THESE POSITIONS, THAT WOULD JUST TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR US TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SCHOOL DIVISIONS TO TO POOL THAT INFORMATION TO GET THE MEDIAN.

SO YOU'LL SEE FOR THE FIRST STEP, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE.

SO SIX OUT OF NINE.

AND THEN ON THE TOP, FOR OUR TOP OF OUR SCALE, WE ARE IN THE TOP THIRD OF THE WAY WE JURISDICTION'S.

SO AGAIN, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT ENTRY POINT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES SO WE CAN DO THE RECRUITMENT AT THE ENTRY POINT FOR THESE DIFFERENT JOB CLASSES.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

OR BUS DRIVERS OR BUS DRIVERS IS AN AREA THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO INCREASE THEIR PAY.

FOR A WHILE WE HAD A COMPENSATION STUDY DONE FOR OUR BUS DRIVER POSITIONS, I BELIEVE, THREE YEARS AGO.

WE PUT A WE PUT A MARKET RATE ADJUSTMENT IN FOR OUR BUS DRIVERS TO TRY TO MAKE THEIR SALARY MORE COMPETITIVE.

WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE ALSO BEEN INCREASING THEIR BUS DRIVER PAY AS WELL.

SO THIS IS ANOTHER AREA THAT WE WILL BE FOCUSING ON FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 AND HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO MAKE OUR BUS DRIVER PAY MORE COMPETITIVE IN THE WASHINGTON, DC METROPOLITAN AREA? NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THEN WE ALSO WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR ADMINISTRATORS OR OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PRINCIPALS.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BOTTOM IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS SCALE, WE'RE DOING FAIRLY WELL RANKED IN THE MIDDLE FOR BOTH OF THOSE STEPS.

BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR MORE SENIOR STAFF, WHEN THE PRINCIPALS HAVE MORE TENURE, THAT'S WHERE WE TEND TO LOWER IN OUR RANK.

WE DROP DOWN TO THE BOTTOM THIRD WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PRINCIPAL TOP SALARY.

THIS IS ANOTHER AREA THAT WE HAD A COMPENSATION DONE, I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO FOR THIS ONE, AND WE'VE BEEN PROVIDING A MARKET RATE ADJUSTMENT TO ADDRESS THIS AS WELL.

FOR ALL OF THESE, WE TOOK A MEASURED APPROACH TO TRY TO INCREASE IT OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL YEARS BECAUSE TO DO IT ALL IN ONE YEAR, IT WAS GOING TO BE COST PROHIBITIVE. BUT IN THAT TIME, WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING IS OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE ALSO BEEN INCREASING THEIR PAY, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS CURRENT YEAR, WITH THE GOVERNOR PUTTING IN THE BUDGET FUNDING FOR A 10% RAISE OVER TWO YEARS.

SO WHILE WE WERE CATCHING UP THIS PAST OR THIS CURRENT YEAR IS WHERE WE SEE A LITTLE BIT OF REGRESSION.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AGAIN, WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PRINCIPALS CONTRACTS AS WELL.

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SO WE HAVE FIVE OUT OF EIGHT INSTEAD OF NINE FOR THESE CONTRACTS.

SO YOU'LL SEE THE TOP OF THIS SCALE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CONTRACT.

AND IT DOES IMPROVE.

THE ONE DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE SCALE IS THE DIFFERENT SCHOOL DIVISIONS.

WHILE THE CONTRACTS MAY BE EITHER 240 OR 250 DAY, USUALLY WHEN IT'S 250 DAY, THEY HAVE PROVIDED THOSE EMPLOYEES WITH ADDITIONAL VACATION TIME TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF LEAVE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IF YOU HAD A 240 DAY CONTRACT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO IN THE CURRENT YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 2023, WE'RE GOING TO EMBARK ON ANOTHER COMPENSATION STUDY.

AND ONE OF THE GOALS OR THE GOALS OF THAT COMPENSATION STUDY IS TO CREATE PAY SCALES THAT WILL HELP RECRUIT AND RETAIN OUR HIGH QUALITY STAFF.

WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR SCALE DESIGNS, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE INTERNAL EQUITY WITHIN THOSE SCALES.

AND THEN LASTLY, WE WANT TO REVIEW THE USE OF WHOLE STEPS TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S AN ANTIQUATED PRACTICE AND IF WE SHOULD CONTINUE IT OR IF WE SHOULD REMOVE WHOLE STEPS FROM OUR PAY SCALES.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND WE WILL BE PROVIDING THE SCHOOL BOARD WITH INFORMATION ON WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET AND THE TWO BY TWOS THAT ARE NEXT WEEK WITH HOW WE PLAN ON ADDRESSING SOME OF THE REGRESSION THAT WE'VE SEEN ON SOME OF THE SCALES.

THANK YOU, MR. TURNER. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS.

DR. REEF. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, MR. TURNER. THE LAST SLIDE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE PAY SCALE STUDY, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR.

WHAT IS THE TIMELINE ON THAT? BECAUSE WHEN WE'VE DONE COMPENSATION STUDIES IN THE PAST, I RECALL GETTING THE RESULTS AROUND THIS TIME.

SO THIS ONE HASN'T EVEN IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S EVEN GONE OUT YET OR THE BID OR WHATEVER.

CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE TIMELINE FOR THAT AND WHEN WOULD THE RESULTS OF THAT? I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD BE PROPOSED FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE FY 25.

SO I THINK I HAVE TO TOUCH BASE WITH HR BENEFITS AND COMPENSATION OFFICE.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT PERFORM THE COMPENSATION STUDY FOR US.

AS FAR AS WHEN WE WOULD IMPLEMENT IT, WE WOULD STILL TRY TO IMPLEMENT IT WITHIN FISCAL YEAR 2024.

AS YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SUPERINTENDENCE ADJUSTED ONCE WE GO TO THE APPROVED AS WELL AS THE FINAL ADOPTED.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS SO IF THEY ARE GOING TO SAY REMOVE WHOLE STEPS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET DONE BEFORE FISCAL YEAR 2024.

AND THEN THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TO ADDRESS THE REGRESSION WITH WHERE WE ARE AND IN TERMS OF THE OTHER WAY DIVISIONS. SO THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE WANT TO DO, AND THEN WE'LL BE PROPOSING THOSE RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL SEE WHAT THE COMPENSATION STUDY COMES BACK AS A SOLUTION FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS.

BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE WANT TO LOOK AT IS THAT INTERNAL EQUITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SUBORDINATES AND SUPERVISORS AT THE RIGHT LEVEL. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CAREER PATHS WITHIN OUR SALARY SCALES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN RETAIN THOSE PEOPLE AND THAT THEY CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A CAREER PATH PROGRESSION WITHIN ASPS AND SO FORTH.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE ALREADY GOING TO DO AND WE WILL BE DISCUSSING WITH THE CONSULTANT AROUND THOSE IDEAS AS WELL.

ONE OTHER QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR, IF THAT'S OKAY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING TIMELINE? I DON'T KNOW, DR. KAY WYATT, IF YOU CAN DO THAT, BECAUSE IT WAS A YEAR AGO WHEN WE ADOPTED A RESOLUTION ABOUT THAT.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE HAD AN UPDATE SINCE THAT TIME.

AND YES, I KNOW WE HAVE WE HAVE HAD A LOT GOING ON, THAT'S FOR SURE.

BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE AT THIS TIME, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

SURE. I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH LEGAL, WHO IS IN PRETTY MUCH AN EXPERT IN THIS FIELD.

SHE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE HR STAFF AS WELL AS SENIOR LEADERSHIP AND THEN ULTIMATELY BOARD LEADERSHIP AND THE BOARD TO ROLL OUT WHAT OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE FAR AS MOVING FORWARD IN THE PROCESS.

AND THEN WE'LL ROLL OUT A MORE FORMAL TIMELINE.

BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT IT DOES REQUIRE STAFF TRAINING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS.

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WE NEED TO HIRE IN STAFF LEGAL.

JUST KEEP SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT TO SUPPORT THIS.

I MEAN, AMONG OTHER THINGS, BUT TO SUPPORT THIS FOR SURE.

MS.. IGNACIO.

SO I THINK I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK IT AS WE DO OUR COMPENSATION STUDY.

ARE WE ALSO LOOKING AT THE COST OF LIVING IN COMPARISON TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS? SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY BEHOOVE US TO BE COMPATIBLE TO SOMEONE LIKE PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY WHEN WE KNOW THE COST OF LIVING IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER.

SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT A COMPENSATION STUDY, ARE WE ALSO LOOKING AT THE COST OF LIVING HERE IN THE CITY OF ALEXANDRIA AND COMPARING THAT TO OUR ABILITY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES TO LIVE LOCAL? OH, GO AHEAD, MR. TURNER. SORRY.

I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU MENTIONED PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY, BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE AN OUTLIER WHEN IT COMES TO SALARY.

THEY ARE ON THE HIGH END ALMOST EVERYWHERE FOR EVERY SINGLE POSITION.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY COMPETING WITH ALL OF THE SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH COMPETITION HERE IN THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND MARYLAND AREA FOR INSTRUCTIONAL STAFF.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN THE TOP HALF OF ALL, IF MOST IF NOT ALL OF OUR POSITIONS.

AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET THAT WE ARE DOING SEVERAL THINGS TO TRY TO MOVE ALL OF OUR POSITIONS UP IN THAT RANKING, TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE TO GET THE STAFF THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO INSTRUCT OUR STUDENTS AND RUN A SMOOTH OPERATION FOR US. YEAH.

AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED.

LIKE WE'RE NOT WAITING FOR THE COMPENSATION STUDY IN ORDER TO START TO MAKE SOME OF THESE ADJUSTMENTS.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME ADJUSTMENTS PROPOSED AS A PART OF THE UPCOMING COMBINED FUNDS BUDGET.

AND MADAM CHAIR, WE'LL HAVE A DETAILED REPORT FROM H.R.

AROUND THE COMPENSATION STUDY BECAUSE WE WILL EXPLAIN THE NEED TO NOT GO TO THE R P PROCESS, BUT WE'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN THE TWO BY TWOS.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OK. ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT'S ALL FOR THIS EVENING.

WE'LL BE BACK HERE TOMORROW.

SO WE.

OH, THERE'S THAT.

IF YOU'D LIKE. IF YOU'D LIKE ANOTHER MEETING.

YEAH. THERE'S LOTS OF MEETINGS GOING AROUND.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS, EVERYBODY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.