[Call Meeting to Order]
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ALL RIGHT. I THINK I CAN GO AHEAD AND GET US STARTED.
ON THAT NOTE. SO GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS TO REVIEW THE PROPOSED COMBINE FUNDS.
[1. Joint City Council/School Board CIP Budget Work Session]
I'M SORRY, LET'S THE IEP.I'M MOVING. I'M TOO FAR AHEAD.
OUR PROPOSED EIB CIP BUDGET AND HAVE OUR COUNSEL ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE REGARDING.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M READY TO TURN IT OVER TO TEAM ACP TO PRESENT.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
IT FEELS LIKE WE WERE JUST HERE GATHERED, BUT WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE AGAIN THIS EVENING TO PRESENT OUR FACILITIES IN OPERATION TEAM FOR OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM BUDGET DISCUSSION.
AND AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DR.
SO, DR. HART, THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO TURN IT RIGHT OVER TO MS..
ERICA GULLET. SHE IS OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES AND OVERSEES OUR CIP BUDGET DEVELOPMENT.
BOARD MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
WE USED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION DURING OR FOLLOWING THE SCHOOL BOARD'S ADOPTION OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM BUDGET, BUT WE'VE MOVED THAT FORWARD A LITTLE BIT AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE TASK FORCE.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S CLEAR ON THAT.
SUSAN, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WHAT ARE OUR CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE UPCOMING FY 2024 TO 2033 PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM BUDGET? AND THEN WHAT CHANGES DO WE ANTICIPATE OR WE CAN LET THE COUNCIL KNOW ABOUT FOR THE UPCOMING PROPOSED BUDGET? SO FIRST, AND ONE OF OUR BIG ACCOMPLISHMENTS, I BELIEVE, IS IN IMPROVING OUR COMMUNICATIONS ON THE CAPITAL BUDGET.
A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE.
WE'VE CONTINUED OUR CIP NEWSLETTER, WHICH STARTED IN MAY OF 2021.
I THINK IT'S LARGELY BEEN A SUCCESS.
I WILL NOTE WE'VE HAD A RECENT BIT OF A HICCUP AND JUST TRANSFERRING TO NEW COMMUNICATION PLATFORM, BUT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE THAT AND EVERYONE SHOULD BE BACK ON THE LISTS APPROPRIATELY AND SHOULD BE RECEIVING THOSE NEWSLETTERS.
SO JUST A PLUG. IF YOU'RE NOT TO GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND SIGN UP.
BUT THOSE ARE SENT OUT MONTHLY, USUALLY THE FIRST MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
WE CONTINUE WITH THOSE AS WELL AS REGULAR ADVISORY GROUP UPDATES.
THE ADVISORY GROUPS ARE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN IN THE FEEDBACK PROCESS ON THE DESIGN.
AND SO ONE WAY THAT WE ENGAGE OUR ADVISORY GROUP AND CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THOSE GROUPS THAT WE HAVE IS WE SEND THEM EITHER BI WEEKLY OR MONTHLY UPDATES ON REGULAR CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS WITH THE INTENT THAT THEY WOULD THEN SEND THEM OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY REPRESENT.
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AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL THUS FAR.WE CONTINUE TO ACTIVELY ADJUST OUR COMMUNICATION EFFORTS TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUR DIFFERENT CONSTITUENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE BEING EQUITABLE, EQUITABLE AND WHO WE'RE REACHING OUT TO AND HOW WE'RE REACHING OUT TO THEM, PROVIDING INTERPRETATION SERVICES, SERVICES AT ALL OF OUR MEETINGS, AS WELL AS TARGETED CAMPAIGNS.
OUR COMMUNITY AND SCHOOL RELATIONS DEPARTMENT HAS ALSO STARTED TO ASK ASPS, WHICH IS ANOTHER AVENUE FOR US TO RECEIVE AND RESPOND TO FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS ON OUR PROJECTS.
AND WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THAT TEAM.
NEXT SLIDE. SO JUST MAJOR MILESTONES FOR FY 2023 IN OUR CAPACITY PROJECTS.
FY 2023 WAS OUR IS OUR LARGEST CAPITAL BUDGET YEAR, I BELIEVE EVER, AND LARGELY DUE TO THE MINI HOWARD REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT INCLUDED.
WE DID BREAK GROUND ON THAT THIS PAST SPRING.
I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT IN THAT PROGRESS AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE THAT THROUGH TO OPEN IN THE BUILDING IN SEPTEMBER 2024 AND THEN FINISH THE FINAL PROJECT FINAL AFTER THAT.
WE'RE ALMOST ON THE INSIDE OF THAT BUILDING.
IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY IT, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S FULLY UP.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING OVER THERE AND WE ALSO PURCHASED 1703 NORTH BEAUREGARD, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF FINALIZING A DESIGN CONTRACT SO THAT WE CAN START CONSTRUCTION NEXT YEAR TO PREPARE THAT TO BE SWING SPACE.
SO THIS IS JUST A SLIDE ON SHOWING HOW THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL IN THEIR SUPPORT OF OUR CAPITAL BUDGET HAVE BEEN STICKING TO THE PLAN AND REALLY FOLLOWING SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE COME OUT IN RECENT YEARS.
THE FIRST BEING WITH THE DOUGLAS MACARTHUR REPLACEMENT THAT WAS IDENTIFIED YEARS AGO BEFORE I WAS EVEN A PART OF AND BEFORE I'M SURE A LOT OF VIEWER AS A SIGNIFICANT NEED TO REPLACE THAT BUILDING, IT WAS CONTINUOUSLY MOVED OUT IN THE CIP AND IT'S REALLY GREAT TO SEE THAT THAT PROJECT WILL FINALLY OPEN THIS SUMMER.
ADDITIONALLY, WITH MINI HOWARD AND THE LONG RANGE EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES PLAN UPDATE WE DID SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE IN 2017, ONE OF THOSE MAIN RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO DELIVER MORE HIGH SCHOOL CAPACITY.
AND THEN LASTLY, WITH THE ACQUISITION OF 1703 IN CONSIDERING NEW AND URBAN MODELS FOR SCHOOL SITES AND ALSO THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION TO SET ASIDE RESERVED FUNDS FOR ACQUISITION OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY ARISE, WHICH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL DID DO IN THE FY 2019 BUDGET.
SO JUST SHOWING THAT WITH THESE PROJECTS, WE'RE REALLY THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO STICK TO THE PLAN, MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO SURPRISES AND MOVE THROUGH THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND DELIVER THE NEEDS THAT OUR STUDENTS HAVE.
NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS JUST A REVIEW OF THE BUDGET PRIORITIES THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD VOTED ON.
THEY ARE THE SAME AS LAST YEAR.
MANY OF THESE PROJECTS SPAN MULTIPLE YEARS AND SO IN ORDER FOR US TO REALLY BE EFFECTIVE, IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE WE MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY IN THE BUDGET PRIORITIES AND THESE ALIGN WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN GOAL AREAS, INCLUDING SYSTEMIC ALIGNMENT, INSTRUCTIONAL EXCELLENCE, STUDENT ACCESSIBILITY AND SUPPORT, STRATEGIC RESOURCE ALLOCATION, AND FAMILY AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
NEXT SLIDE. HOW WE DEVELOP OUR CIP ON THE CAPACITY PROJECTS.
THERE ARE SEVERAL, SEVERAL COMPONENTS THAT WE CONSIDER WHEN WE GO THROUGH DEVELOPING THE IP AND THEN WHEN THE SCHOOL BOARD DOES THEIR EVALUATION OF THE IP THROUGH THE WORK SESSIONS, WE USE OUR IP BUDGET PRIORITIES, DEPARTMENT, SCHOOL INPUT, VARIOUS ASSESSMENTS THAT WE HAVE ARE FEASIBILITY STUDIES, WHICH YOU MAY RECALL WE JUST DID THOSE ON GEORGE MASON IN COURT.
KELLY OUR ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS AS WELL AS OUR FACILITY CONDITIONS ASSESSMENTS WHICH WERE RECENTLY UPDATED, WHICH GAVE US NEW FACILITY CONDITIONS, INDEXES TO EVALUATE THE SCHOOLS ON OUR NON CAPACITY PROJECTS.
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RIGHT NOW WE'RE PURSUING PLAYGROUND ASSESSMENTS WHICH SHOULD BE COMPLETED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AND WE'LL INCORPORATE FUNDING IN THE UPCOMING CIP TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THOSE PLAYGROUND ASSESSMENTS ONCE THEY'RE IDENTIFIED.SO FOR OUR CAPACITY PROJECTS, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS CLEAR ON.
ALL OF THE YEARS WHICH THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED WILL REMAIN THE SAME FOR 1703.
GEORGE MASON AND CORA KELLEY FOR THE TRANSPORTATION FACILITY.
IT IS, HOWEVER, A SIGNIFICANT NEED THAT WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY IN IF YOU LOOK AT THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENTS, THAT IS OUR WORST BUILDING AND IT'S NOT PROVIDING THE NEEDS FOR OUR STAFF AND FOR STUDENTS ULTIMATELY OVER THERE.
SO THE FUNDING THAT WAS CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN FY 2024 WILL BE REPRIORITIZED TO MAKE WHATEVER INTERIM SOLUTION THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE FEASIBLE AT THAT SITE.
IF THERE ARE CERTAIN FACILITY UPGRADES WE CAN DO, IF THERE'S TEMPORARY SPACE.
AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT FACILITY NEEDS.
AND THEN THE OTHER MAJOR CHANGE OR NOT MAJOR CHANGE, BUT THE NEW SCHOOL, THE NEW ELEMENTARY MODERNIZATION IN OUT IN THE OUT YEARS OF THE TENURE CAP WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO BE NAOMI BROOKS, BASED ON THE FACILITY CONDITIONS ASSESSMENTS.
THAT IS NOT OUR WORST SCHOOL ANYMORE AFTER COURT KELLY AND GEORGE MASON.
SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY PROPOSING IT'D BE A DIFFERENT ONE AT THIS TIME.
IT MAY VERY WELL BE NAOMI BROOKS IN THE OUT YEARS, BUT BASED ON A LOT OF THE HVAC ROOF, OTHER RENOVATION WORK WE'VE DONE THERE, THAT FACILITY IS NOT OUR FACILITY IN THE WORSE CONDITION. AND SO WE INTEND TO PROPOSE AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THE IN THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL CONSIDER HAVING BASICALLY A PLACEHOLDER FOR THE NEXT ELEMENTARY MODERNIZATION FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IN THOSE OUTYEARS SO THAT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT IS, WHETHER IT BE AN EXISTING SCHOOL SITE OR ONE OF OUR NEW SCHOOL SITES OR A DESIGNATED SCHOOL SITE ELSEWHERE.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, WE'LL SEE CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE CONTINUED TO GO UP.
EVERYBODY IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY IS KIND OF WAITING FOR THE BREAK AND IT'S NOT COMING.
SO WE WILL BE REEVALUATING OUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS ACROSS THE BOARD AS WELL.
BUT OTHERWISE, NO MAJOR CHANGES TO CAPACITY PROJECTS ARE ANTICIPATED.
GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OK OPERATING BUDGET IMPACTS.
BUT THESE PROJECTS DO HAVE IMPACTS ON THE OPERATING BUDGET AND CERTAINLY THERE THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE BETTERING OUR SCHOOLS FOR OUR STUDENTS AND OUR STAFF, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE ACCOMMODATE THE THE OPERATING BUDGET PIECE AS WELL.
FOUR 1703 NORTH BEAUREGARD WE'RE CONTINUING TO MANAGE THOSE TENANTS OVER THERE.
WE ARE WE WILL BE WORKING THROUGH THE RENOVATION OF THAT BUILDING, BUT IT WAS JUST A NET ADD A NET NEW FACILITY TO US AND WE DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE IT INTO THIS YEAR'S OPERATING BUDGET BECAUSE WE PURCHASED IT IN FEBRUARY.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE CAN EXPECT TO SEE.
ADDITIONALLY, WITH DOUGLAS MACARTHUR OPENING IN THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR, WE'LL BE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET, SOME OF THE OPERATING COSTS THAT WE'LL EXPECT THERE. IT'S OUR FIRST NET ZERO ENERGY FACILITY.
AND WE'RE ALSO WE'VE PROCURED OUR AND ARE WORKING THROUGH THE FINAL CONTRACT OF OUR POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT WHICH GIVES US THE SOLAR PANELS ON ON THE SITE.
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AND SO THAT IS IT FOR OUR PRESENTATION.JUST SOME SOME OF THE KEY DATES FOR EVERYONE TO BE AWARE OF.
THE SUPERINTENDENT WILL PROPOSE THE TEN YEAR CIP ON THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 10TH WILL FOLLOW THAT WITH TWO WORK SESSIONS, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS THE NEXT PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH THE BOARD ON ON THE ON THE CAPITAL BUDGET.
AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO ADD DELETES IN DECEMBER AND ANTICIPATING SCHOOL BOARD ADOPTION OF THE TEN YEAR CIP RIGHT BEFORE BREAK ON DECEMBER 15TH. SO THAT IS EVERYTHING WE HAVE AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS OR FOR DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU ALL. SO AT THIS POINT, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO TURN IT OVER FOR QUESTIONS.
AND JUST SORT OF A REMINDER FOR THIS PRESENTATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR OWN PROCESS FOR THAT.
SO THAT LEAVES THE OTHER HALF.
I KNOW YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, SO.
JACKSON. ALL RIGHT, MR. MAYOR, GO AHEAD. OKAY.
I GUESS A COUPLE OF A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
SO LET'S START WITH THE END OF IT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT NAOMI BROOKS.
AND I GUESS I GUESS MY QUESTION IS MORE.
HOW YOU GUYS ARE APPROACHING THAT JUDGMENT, BECAUSE I GOT THE I GET THE POINT THAT THERE ARE MORE THERE ARE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS. I GUESS AT LEAST IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S ONLY PART OF THE EQUATION BECAUSE IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE WHERE CAN WE MOST EFFICIENTLY ADD CAPACITY? AND SO WHICH SITES ARE THE BEST CANDIDATES FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY? SO AS I AS I THINK ABOUT THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
AND I'M JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S PART OF THE EVALUATION AS WELL.
BUT EVEN IN THE SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE TO SCRAPE THE SITE AND START OVER AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE LOOKING AT, HEY, WE CAN WE CAN BUILD THIS MANY ADDITIONAL ELEMENTARY SEATS ON THIS SITE FOR THIS MUCH MONEY ON THIS SITE, AND THIS IS HOW IT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED VERSUS THIS OTHER SITE.
IS THAT PART OF THE THINKING, THINKING HERE? YES, IT IS. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHICH BUILDINGS WE'RE GOING TO MODERNIZE, THERE ARE THREE MAIN FACTORS THAT PLAY INTO THAT.
HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE TO PUT IN INTO THAT BUILDING VERSUS WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THAT BUILDING? AND IF THAT NUMBER IF THAT RATIO IS HIGH, THEN WE MIGHT LOOK AT A BUILDING REPLACEMENT.
SO DOES THAT BUILDING NEED CAPACITY, AS YOU'RE SAYING? DO WE HAVE THE ROOM ON THAT SITE TO BUILD CAPACITY? IN THE CASE OF NAOMI BROOKS, THAT SCHOOL, WHILE IT WAS OVERCROWDED IN THE PAST, WE HAD REDISTRICTING.
IT'S NOW ONE OF THE SCHOOLS THAT MAYBE HAS SOME NOT ADDITIONAL SPACE BECAUSE THE CLASSROOMS ARE SMALL, BUT IT HAS ROOM TO HOUSE MORE CLASSROOMS OR POTENTIALLY OTHER SCHOOLS NEAR IT HAVE HAVE CAPACITY.
SO FROM A CAPACITY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S NOT THE HIGHEST NEED AS WELL.
AND THEN THE LAST IS EDUCATIONAL ADEQUACY, WHICH IS HOW HOW CLOSELY DOES THE THE SCHOOL MEET OUR EDUCATIONAL SPECIFICATION? ARE CLASSROOMS MUCH SMALLER THAN THEY SHOULD BE? IS THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING WRONG? ARE THE ADJACENCIES WRONG? DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PLAY SPACE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, MATTHEW, NAOMI BROOKS, I'M SORRY, IS ONE OF OUR OLDEST FACILITIES AND HAS, I WOULD SAY, A LOT OF EDUCATIONALLY OR DOESN'T MEET THE EDUCATIONAL ADEQUACY IN THE WAY WE LIKE IT TO THAT IS NOT THAT IS SIMILAR TO CROUCH MOUNT VERNON A LOT OF THOSE OLD FACILITIES DON'T DON'T MEET THAT.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER.
SO THE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS YES, WE CONSIDER OTHER THINGS.
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AND FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, NAOMI BROOKS STILL MIGHT NOT BE THE THE NUMBER ONE SCHOOL TO GO NEXT.AND EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW, IT MIGHT BE VERY DIFFERENT.
SO. I GUESS LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY.
SO. IS IT LIKELY? BECAUSE ALREADY WE WERE THINKING ABOUT A SCENARIO WHERE POTENTIALLY WE WERE STARTING OVER ON THAT SITE.
RIGHT. SO IS IS THE ANSWER GOING TO BE.
OR IS IT GOING TO BE SOMETHING KIND OF MUCH MORE DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT, I GUESS? MAYBE THAT WAS A WEIRD WAY OF ASKING THAT QUESTION, BUT THE FACILITY IS VERY DATED, SO I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT NOW, BUT NOT NEVER.
IF IT'S NOT THE NEXT ONE, MAYBE IT'S THE NEXT NEXT ONE OR SOON THEREAFTER, SOMETHING WILL HAVE TO BE DONE AT THAT SITE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF OUR SMALLER SCHOOLS AND WE WOULD JUST WANT TO HAVE MORE CAPACITY AT AT A SCHOOL THAN THAN IS CURRENTLY THERE.
SO THEN LET ME ASK THE OTHER $500 MILLION QUESTION.
LIKE, SO WHAT'S WHAT'S THE WHAT'S NEXT THEN? I MEAN, WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE CANDIDATES? I GUESS LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.
AND SO WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS THE PLACEHOLDER.
SO OUR TEAM HAS THE ABILITY TO EVALUATE WHICH SCHOOL SHOULD BE NEXT.
ONE THING I DO WANT TO ADD ABOUT NAOMI BROOKS IS THAT AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS PROPOSED FOR REPLACEMENT, THE MAINTENANCE NEEDS AND REQUIREMENTS OF THE SCHOOL WERE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHERE WE ARE NOW.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS REPLACING MAJOR BUILDING SYSTEMS. SO THINKING OF OUR ROOFING HVAC WORK, WE'VE DONE SOME WINDOW REPLACEMENT WORK THERE.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'RE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION IS THAT AS WE ARE WORKING STEADILY TO MAKE THESE RENOVATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS, IT'S ACTUALLY CHANGING THE FCI SCORE ON OUR FACILITIES. SO FACILITIES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED A FEW YEARS AGO FOR REPLACEMENT MAY NOT BE THE SAME ONES THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD AT THIS POINT SINCE WE JUST HAD OUR FCI ASSESSMENTS DONE LAST YEAR.
AND SO TO ERIKA'S POINT, WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND ONCE WE DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT WE BELIEVE THE NEXT SCHOOL REPLACEMENT SHOULD BE BASED OFF OF THOSE THREE CATEGORIES, WE'LL DEFINITELY BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND OF COURSE, TO THE COUNCIL THROUGH THESE MEANS IN THESE SESSIONS.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE IN THE STANCE OF WE JUST NEED TO GET IT A PLACEHOLDER INTO THE CIP BUDGET BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THAT DECISION IS MADE TO THEN SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE NEED, WE WANT TO PUT IT IN NOW, MAKE THE DETERMINATION AND THEN SHARE THAT OUT OR RECOMMENDATION OUT WITH THE RESPECTED ELECTED BODIES.
YEAH, AND LET ME LET ME BE CLEAR.
LIKE, I'M NOT CRITICIZING THIS THIS JUDGMENT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD KIND OF HOW HOW YOU WERE APPROACHING IT.
LET ME BEFORE I MOVE OFF OF BROOKE'S, LET ME JUST KIND OF THROW ONE OTHER THING OUT THERE.
SO I RECALL IN THE LONG RANGE PLAN WE'RE NOW TALKING A DECADE AGO NOW AT THIS POINT.
BUT WHEN WE DID THE FIRST PHASE OF THE LONG RANGE PLAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE CONVERSATION ON BROOKE'S WAS THAT THERE WERE OPPORTUNITIES ADJACENT OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE POTENTIAL ACQUISITION OF PROPERTIES THAT WERE RIGHT NEXT TO THERE THAT COULD EXPAND THE SITE AND MAKE IT ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CLOSE THE DOOR ON SOME OF THOSE BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE MIGHT MIGHT FOR FOR RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNTS OF MONEY, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SIGNIFICANTLY EXPAND THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE ON SOME OF THESE SITES AND MORE.
BACK THEN IT WAS MORE A MORE IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE HAD WHERE WE HAD THAT.
SO AND THAT WAS PART OF THE LONG RANGE PLAN.
ALL RIGHT. I GUESS A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.
AND THIS MAY INVOLVE THE CITY CITY SIDE AS WELL.
CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION FACILITY AND KIND OF THE THINKING THERE AS IT RELATES TO TO WITTER WHEELER AND KIND OF WHAT JUDGMENTS WERE MAKING ON THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST ON THAT.
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THERE'S THE BUS FACILITY QUESTION BLUNTLY THAT TAKES UP A LOT OF LAND.WHICH BUS FACILITY? SECTION OF THE SCHOOL BUS.
THE SCHOOL BUS. WE'VE GOT TWO BUS FACILITIES AS WELL AS WE'RE DOING THE RENOVATION FOR THE BUILDING.
AND THE CURRENT FACILITY THAT ACPS HAS IS IN CLEARLY POOR CONDITION, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
I'LL USE ONE THAT I THINK IS PRETTY CLEAR IS THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES.
WE HAVE MULTIPLE MAINTENANCE FACILITIES FOR FOR WHAT I CALL HEAVY VEHICLE AND FOR LESS HEAVY VEHICLE, LESS HEAVY VEHICLE.
PRETTY MUCH ANY OF THE MAIN FACILITIES CAN CAN COVER THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME KEY DECISIONS TO MAKE, I THINK IN 2024, 2025 AND 26, I THINK THERE'S A WITTER WHEELER CAMPUS RENOVATION, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE SOME OF THESE THINGS.
I THINK THAT AREA DOES LEND ITSELF TO SOME OF THE MORE INDUSTRIAL TYPE FACILITIES THAT ARE THERE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSOLIDATE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT JOINT USE.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT TRANSPORTATION FACILITY.
SO THOSE ALL PLAY INTO THE DYNAMIC OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND.
THERE ARE SEVERAL FACILITIES THERE THAT ARE IN POOR SHAPE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO EXPEND SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS FOR THAT.
BUT THE KIND OF THE THREE MAIN QUESTIONS I THINK ARE OUT THERE IS ONE IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH OUR MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR BOTH BOTH ENTITIES AND CAN WE GAIN VALUE OUT OF SOME CONSOLIDATION THAT.
WHAT FACILITIES NEED TO BE CENTRALIZED AND WHAT FACILITIES DO NOT NEED TO BE CENTRALIZED? AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS WHAT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE IN THAT GENERAL LOCATION.
I WOULD ARGUE THAT KIND OF FIELD WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT NEXT TO THE RAILROAD PROBABLY FITS.
THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HARD TO FIND A REPLACEMENT SPOT FOR THAT.
SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE THREE, THREE PIECES THAT I THINK HAVE TO GET DECIDED.
ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND, THOUGH, IS AS WE ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT POTENTIAL DECENTRALIZATION OF OUR TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS, IF THAT DOES BECOME A, YOU KNOW, FEASIBILITY OR OPTION THAT WE WANT TO BRING FORWARD IS THAT WE WOULD NEED THE SPACE TO DECENTRALIZE.
AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST FROM OUR PURVIEW IN OUR PORTFOLIO.
SO JUST SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT IF WE DO DECENTRALIZE, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE MAY NOT NEED ADDITIONAL SPACE OR LAND ACQUISITION SUPPORT FROM THE CITY TO DO SO, ESPECIALLY AS CITY MANAGER MENTIONED WITH US, ELECTRIFYING OUR FLEET AND MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
SO JUST WANTING TO SAY THAT DECENTRALIZATION WOULD ALSO COME WITH SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE HAD ABOUT WHAT OUR NEEDS WOULD BE FROM AN EPS STANDPOINT TO DO SO.
YEAH, AND I WASN'T THINKING THAT THERE WAS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION.
IN FACT, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT JOINT CONVERSATION.
BUT AS YOU SAW IN THE DATABASE THAT WAS THAT WAS DEVELOPED, THERE IS THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL LANDHOLDINGS HERE COLLECTIVELY, I'M NOT SUGGESTING. SO IT MAY BE THAT THE OPPORTUNITY MAY PRESENT ITSELF FOR SOME OF THIS TO BE LOCATED IN AREAS WHERE WE'RE NOT UTILIZING IT AS HEAVILY AS WE NEED TO. MAYBE WE HAVE SPACE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE CERTAIN THINGS.
AND MAYBE THERE'S OTHER LOCATIONS.
ANOTHER ONE IS THE EMPOWERMENT YARD, WHERE WE ALL ALREADY KNOW WE HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH THAT.
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SO THOSE ARE THE NOW MY FOUR OR FIVE QUESTIONS.AND I DO THINK THE COMMITTEE THAT'S BEEN FORMED IS WORKING REALLY WELL IN THAT SPACE.
SO I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD YOU THAT IT'S NOT BEEN HAPPENING.
FOR A SIP DISCUSSION THAT'S GOT TO TAKE PLACE PROBABLY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE.
THOSE FACILITIES ARE IN POOR SHAPE.
YEAH. AND I APPRECIATE BOTH THE MANAGER'S COMMENTS AND DR.
HART'S COMMENTS, AND I'M EXCITED, WELL, CAUTIOUSLY EXCITED.
I'LL SAY THAT THAT THESE THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING.
THIS SEEMS LIKE, AT LEAST TO ME, THE UNEDUCATED ONE HERE, LIKE THE NO BRAINER AREA WHERE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WORK TOGETHER AND CONSOLIDATE THESE EFFORTS TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, NOT JUST FROM A PHYSICAL PERSPECTIVE, BUT FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE.
WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE THAT OUT. RIGHT.
AND SO THIS IS A THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY, I THINK, FOR US.
AND SO HOPEFULLY WHEN ALL THAT'S DONE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEW VISION OF THAT SPACE.
BUT ALSO I THINK THERE'S SOME REAL OPPORTUNITIES HERE TO BRING THIS ALL TOGETHER IN SOME WAY.
AND I HOPE WE WON'T WE WON'T WASTE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
LET ME ASK A COUPLE OTHER AND THEN I CAN MOVE ON TO OTHERS.
WELL, NOBODY ELSE WAS ASKING QUESTIONS.
WHY NOT, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
YOU WANT TO. OKAY, WELL, GO FOR IT.
GO FOR IT. IT. SO I JUST HAVE THREE QUICK THINGS.
IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND PROVIDING US THE UPDATED LIST.
DR. HART, I THINK HE SAID THE REPORT THAT YOU GUYS JUST DID.
SINCE KELLY IS CLOSE ON THE LIST.
IS THERE CONSIDERATIONS AT THE LAST MEETING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? ILLUSTRATIONS AND POTENTIALS FOR FOUR SITES.
SO IF WE'RE DOING A BUILD OUT OF CORE KELLY, ARE WE FACILITATING A POTENTIAL CONVERSION TO A MIDDLE SCHOOL OR ARE WE BUILDING IT IN MIND THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY BUILD IT OUT FURTHER FOR A MIDDLE SCHOOL AND NOT JUST THE CORE KELLY SITE, BUT ANY OTHER SITE, CONSIDERING WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST WEEK? AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION OR COMMENT AND WHATEVER IT IS, WHERE ARE WE PUTTING THE BUNGALOWS? THAT WAS A JOKE, I SAID.
UM, SO RELATED TO ILLUSTRATION, AS WE START TO PURSUE THE DESIGN, OF COURSE.
KELLY CERTAINLY THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL CONSIDER WHAT THAT PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S PROPOSED AS A PRE K FIVE.
SORRY. ONE LAST COMMENT ON THAT.
IT'S JUST. WHEN WE'RE DOING SOME CONSTRUCTION NOW.
AND I KNOW IT'S VERY DIFFERENT A SCHOOL FROM, SAY, WE'RE BUILDING OFFICE WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CONVERSION TO RESIDENTIAL OR BUILDING RESIDENTIAL IN A WAY THAT IT HAS THE OPTION TO CONVERT TO BACK TO OFFICE OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE THOUGHT THAT I'M GOING ON.
BUT AGAIN, I KNOW VERY DIFFERENT HAVING A SCHOOL, BUT IF WE'RE POTENTIALLY DOING, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL FROM ELEMENTARY TO JOINT WITH MIDDLE OR TURNING IT COMPLETELY INTO MIDDLE, I JUST JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT, THAT'S AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT POINT THAT WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGN TO DESIGN THE INTERIOR OF OUR SCHOOLS TO HAVE LIKE WHAT WE CALL FLEX SPACES.
SO EVEN IF IT'S NOT WITH THE FULL ON STRUCTURE OF THE FACILITY, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT INTERIOR DESIGNS THAT WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TO BE ABLE TO TO CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING AS NEEDED FOR FUTURE.
MS.. JACKSON, YOU READY? QUICK QUESTION ONLY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE.
THE THE BUILDING PERSPECTIVES OF DOUGLAS MACARTHUR IN THE HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT.
SO WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE OLD SWING SPACE THERE, THE OLD PATRICK HENRY AND THE DEMOLITION OF IT, AND I'M LOOKING UNDER THE OPERATING BUDGET, WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF THE TIMELINE FOR THAT? ONCE THE KIDS ARE OUT OF THE SWING SPACE ON TV, WHEN IS THAT COMING?
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WHAT IS THE PROCESS THERE? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT IN THIS.YES. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY FUNDED AS PART OF FY20.
IT MIGHT BE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.
SO IT'S NOT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
HOW IS EVERYTHING LINED UP THAT AS SOON AS THOSE KIDS ARE OUT? YES, I'M GOING BACK IN TIME, BUT WE ALSO HAVEN'T HAD IT HAPPEN YET.
SO ARE WE READY FOR THAT? DO WE HAVE THE CONTRACTORS? DO WE HAVE EVERYBODY THE WRECKING BALL THAT'S GOING TO COME IN THE FIELDS GOING IN THE JUST BECAUSE THE POLK NEIGHBORHOOD.
PATRICK HENRY STUDENTS, EVERYBODY WANTS THAT SPACE BACK, RIGHT? THAT WAS THE WHOLE PROMISE.
YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO WE'VE LAST YEAR WE REENGAGED THE DESIGN TEAM, THE CIVIL AND THE SORRY, THE ARCHITECT AND THE CIVIL ENGINEER TO FINALIZE THOSE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY, BECAUSE IT IS ANOTHER JOINT PROJECT.
WE HAVE A PIECE OF IT AND RPK HAS A PIECE OF IT.
WE ARE LOOKING TO GO TO BID SOON, HOPEFULLY BEFORE THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, TO BE ABLE TO BRING A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD SO THAT AS SOON AS DOUGLAS MACARTHUR IS OUT OF THERE NEXT SUMMER, WE CAN BEGIN PURSUING DEMOLITION AND MOVING AND GET THAT FINAL PER THE CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE RDSP, IT HAS TO BE COMPLETE IN ITS FINAL STATE BY NOVEMBER 2025.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS? VIP? YES.
THANK YOU, CHARLTON. I'M JUST CURIOUS AND I ASK THIS QUESTION BASICALLY IN EVERY ROOM I'M IN NOW, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, SINCE WE'RE AIMING FOR NET ZERO AND SO MANY BUILDINGS IN THE FUTURE, IS THERE IS THAT SOMETHING ECB'S STAFF IS LOOKING AT AS WELL IN TERMS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT MIGHT REDUCE THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THESE BUILDINGS AS SUSTAINABLE AND ENERGY EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE? IS THAT SOMETHING I KNOW ON THE CITY SIDE WE'RE PURSUING AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITIES.
SO JUST CURIOUS TO WHAT EXTENT ECB'S IS CONSIDERING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.
SO I WOULD SAY WE CONSIDER EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN AND DEFINITELY NOT TRYING TO BE FLIPPANT ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S OUR HONEST ANSWER, IS THAT WE PURSUE EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT'S POSSIBLE TO REDUCE OUR COST.
AND SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL AS OTHER MEANS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY ON PROJECTS WHERE YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST WILL BE WHEN IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE FACILITY.
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT, LIKE THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDING FOR CERTAIN THINGS MIGHT REPRIORITIZE OR ESCALATE THE POTENTIAL TIMELINE, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THAT KIND OF THINKING SO THAT WE CAN COLLECTIVELY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
YEAH. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS SO IN ADDITION TO LOOKING AT FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDING THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE AS WELL AS GRANTS, WHICH WE HAVE A TEAM THAT IS CONSTANTLY DOING FOR US AND THERE IS A LOT IN THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY WORLD.
WE ALSO PURSUED AND I MENTIONED DURING THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE'VE PURSUED A POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS A BASICALLY AN ALTERNATE PROCUREMENT METHOD TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALTERNATE ENERGY, IN PARTICULAR PHOTOVOLTAIC PANELS.
AND THEN THE REAL BENEFIT TO OUR TEAM, TO MY TEAM ON THAT, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM, THAT THEY THEY MANAGE THAT MAINTENANCE AND THE FEE IS RELEVANT, RELATIVELY SMALL COMPARED TO WHAT YOUR REGULAR ELECTRICITY BILL MIGHT BE.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THAT ALTERNATIVE PROCUREMENT METHODS AND THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD ON PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS TO DELIVER THOSE IS REALLY HELPFUL. MR. WILSON IS BACK.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY EXCITING.
AND LET ME JUST SAY, ON THE FEDERAL SIDE, I'M GLAD COUNCIL MEMBER BAGLEY BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY JUST A TORRENT OF MONEY COMING FROM WASHINGTON RIGHT NOW AND SHAME ON US IF WE DON'T GET ALL OF IT.
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SO I KNOW WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO WATCH THAT AS BEST WE CAN.YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH IT'S HARD TO HONESTLY TRACK IT AT ALL.
AND SO TO THE EXTENT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN HELP GRAB THAT, WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I GUESS TWO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME.
SO, ONE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAD AT OUR LAST CONVERSATION LAST WEEK, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND AND ONE OF THE THINGS I ALWAYS WATCH IN THESE CONVERSATIONS IS AROUND.
SOME OF THE SHORT TERM INVESTMENTS WE'RE MAKING.
AND DEPENDING ON HOW WE MAKE DECISIONS ON SOME OF THE BIGGER INVESTMENTS, WHETHER THOSE ARE WISE OR NOT IN THE SHORT TERM, LIKE WHAT CAN WE BASICALLY BUY MORE TIME ON? AND THE ONE THAT JUMPS OUT AT ME AND I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT.
THE ONE THAT JUMPS OUT ON ME IS I KNOW IN THE CFP LAST TIME WE HAD ABOUT A LITTLE UNDER $9 MILLION GOING TO HAMMOND, AND I KNOW A LOT OF THAT WAS HVAC, WHICH I'M SURE YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OF A CHOICE ON.
BUT JUST TALK TO ME ABOUT HOW IF WE POTENTIALLY MAKE SOME LARGER DECISIONS ON SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS, HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THE INTERIM INVESTMENTS GOING FORWARD? SO I'M DEFINITELY OF THE OPINION.
WE DON'T LIKE TO SPEND GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD.
SO THE TEAM AND I REALLY DO LIKE TO SIT AND THINK ABOUT IF WE MAKE THIS INVESTMENT, WHAT IS THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT GOING TO BE AND WHERE ARE WE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL REPLACEMENT IN THE SIPP? IF THAT CONVERSATION HAS COME UP.
ANOTHER THING THAT I'M HOPING OUR TEAM CAN GET AWAY FROM OUR THESE KIND OF SPLIT RENOVATIONS OF BUILDINGS, BECAUSE YOU'LL END UP WITH A FACILITY, SAY, GEORGE WASHINGTON, THAT MAY HAVE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED AT FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE FOUR AND FIVE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS AND THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE FOR THAT TYPE OF KIND OF HYBRID WORK REALLY DOES.
WE SPEND MORE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN TRYING TO MAINTAIN A FACILITY LIKE THAT THAN IF WE WERE TO JUST SAY WE NEED TO EITHER DO A FULL REPLACEMENT OR A LARGE SCALE RENOVATION SO THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE OUR SYSTEMS AND SUCH ARE CONSISTENT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST A MYRIAD OF OPTIONS WHERE WE'RE CONSIDERING WHICH INVESTMENTS WE'RE MAKING.
SO A LOT OF OUR ESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE DOING, ACTUALLY, WE'RE GETTING A TWO FOR ONE.
SO THAT'S A SMART INVESTMENT FOR US.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S REALLY JUST TO TO SAY PRETTY UP THE FACILITY, BUT MAY NOT EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE FACILITY OR SOME THINGS THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER TO SAY, DO WE NEED TO DO THIS NOW? IS THERE A PUSH TO DO THIS NOW OR IS THIS MONEY BETTER INVESTED IN ANOTHER PROJECT OR DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT THE SCHOOL? SO THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR CONSIDERATIONS IN ERICA.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN IF I'VE MISSED ANYTHING, I GUESS.
NOW. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THAT KIND OF GETS ME TO MY MY LAST QUESTION, WHICH SOMEWHAT RELATED, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY AND I THINK WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, CERTAINLY WE CERTAINLY UNDER-INVESTED IN THE CAPACITY SIDE, BUT WE ALSO UNDERINVESTED IN NON CAPACITY SIDE.
AND SO I GUESS TALK TO ME, LET'S PUT CAPACITY ASIDE FOR A SECOND.
TALK TO ME ABOUT NON CAPACITY AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET TO A STATE OF GOOD REPAIR IN THE BUILDINGS THAT WE KNOW ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE? AND AND HOW FAR OFF DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT THAT THAT IS YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I KNOW YOU CAN NEVER DECLARE VICTORY AND SAY WE'RE DONE.
SO I THINK THE TEAM IS STILL CATCHING UP FROM A LOT OF THAT IS WHAT I'LL SAY IN PARTICULAR WE WENT THROUGH IN OUR MAJOR BUILDING SYSTEMS, I WOULD SAY ROOF AND HVAC, AND WE HAD TO REPLACE ROOFS BEFORE YOU GO PUT NEW ROOFTOP UNITS ON ON THE BUILDING.
SO SO A LOT IN A LOT OF CASES.
FOR EXAMPLE, JOHN ADAMS, WE'VE HAD ISSUES FOR HVAC AT JOHN ADAMS. IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TWOFOLD.
ONE, WE JUST FINISHED THE ROOF SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE TO THE HVAC.
ALSO, BECAUSE OUR TEAM COULDN'T COULDN'T PURSUE ALL OF THAT WORK.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, SOME OF THESE FACILITIES, LIKE IN THE CASE OF JOHN ADAMS, JAMES POLK, I BELIEVE THE OLD BUILDING, HOWARD, HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX SYSTEMS AND BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T MAINTAINED, THE PROBLEMS ARE JUST THEY'RE MORE DIFFICULT TO SOLVE.
IT'S NOT JUST REPLACING ONE UNIT OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
IT'S REALLY A FULL SCALE RENOVATION OF OF THOSE THOSE SYSTEMS IN THOSE BUILDINGS.
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SO SOME OF THAT UNTIL WE HAVE A MAJOR MODERNIZATION, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE CHASING A LITTLE BIT FOR THE MOST PART, NOW THAT WE HAVE A FUNCTIONING PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT.AND WE'RE WE'RE PURSUING A LOT OF THE CORRECTIVE MAINTENANCE WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO IN THE CASE OF OUR MAJOR BUILDING SYSTEMS. I'M THINKING OF HVAC, BUT IT'S APPLICABLE TO ALL OF THEM.
WE'RE NOT HAVING TO BE AS REACTIVE.
WE'RE NOT STILL PLAYING CATCH UP FROM YEARS, FROM YEARS OF OF WORK GOING ON.
BUT I WOULD SAY JUST BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING, BASED ON SOME OF THE THE FAILURES WHICH ARE REDUCING, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT FEEL LIKE IT, WE ARE HAVING LESS AND LESS OF THOSE MAJOR FAILURES.
I WOULD SAY WE'RE 2 TO 3 YEARS OUT FROM BEING FEELING LIKE OUR FACILITIES ARE FUNCTIONAL.
WE'RE NOT CONTINUING TO HAVE THESE MAJOR ISSUES OR FAILURES.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY YOU.
DEFINITELY CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING ERICA SAID.
YES. AND FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE HAVE BEEN MITIGATED.
SO, AGAIN, MAKING SURE FACILITIES ARE AIRTIGHT.
OF COURSE, WITH THE ONSET OF THE PANDEMIC, THERE WAS A HUGE FOCUS ON MAKING SURE OUR HVAC SYSTEMS WERE OPERABLE, KEEPING THEM OPERABLE, WHICH, TO ERIKA'S POINT AT SOME FACILITIES DOES REMAIN A CHALLENGE JUST BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE PARTICULAR UNITS.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WHILE FACILITIES ARE WAITING FOR MODERNIZATION, I'M THINKING OF CORA KELLEY.
SO YEAH, WE ARE DOING A LOT OF WORK, BUT WE'RE KEEPING IT MOVING FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. ALL RIGHT.
MR. CHAPMAN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE HAD MAYBE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH THE SIPP WAS A MEASUREMENT OF SEAT COUNT AND HOW CAPACITY AND ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS AND RENOVATIONS WOULD CHANGE THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PRODUCED AND SENT TO COUNCIL? YES. SO IT WILL BE PRODUCED AS PART OF THE SUPERINTENDENT'S PROPOSED BUDGET.
WE INCLUDE IT, I BELIEVE, IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
OKAY. AND THEN WE WILL ACTUALLY BE HAVING SOME SPECIFIC CONVERSATION RELATED TO CAPACITY AT A SCHOOL BOARD WORK SESSION, AND WE'LL BE SURE TO MAKE SURE DOCUMENTS ARE FORWARD TO COUNCIL. PERFECT. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. SO MY NEXT WONDER IS, DO ANY SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF COUNCIL OR CITY THAT YOU BELIEVE MIGHT HELP US? MAKE SURE WE GET WHAT WE NEED.
THANK YOU, GERALD. SO HAPPY WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS.
SO MY QUESTION IS FOR MR. CITY MANAGER OR WHOEVER MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT.
SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, IS THERE A TIMELINE OR ARE WE JUST ACTIVELY LOOKING, STILL LOOKING AT WHEN WE WOULD FIX IT? I THINK IN THE SIPP THERE WAS IT'S IN AN OUTYEAR, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE 20 2625.
OKAY. SO IT'S ALREADY SORT OF EARMARKED FOR A TIME FRAME.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD MOVE IT UP MUCH FASTER, QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME KEY DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE AND THEY ARE GOING TO REQUIRE BOTH BODIES TO TO HEAR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE JOINT STAFFS AND COME FORWARD.
AND SOME OF THOSE ARE REALLY DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE AS PART OF THE CIP, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS AND WE HAVE A LIMITED FUNDS. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG CHALLENGE GOING FORWARD.
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SO WE'RE PROBABLY.4 TO 5 YEARS OUT FROM MAKING WHAT I CALL SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THAT LOCATION.
THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF A FUNCTION AS WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT TO DO YET.
AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE SOME OTHER NEEDS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE AT A HIGHER PRIORITY CURRENTLY.
AND SO THE FINANCIALS ARE THE CHALLENGE IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM IN GENERAL.
I CAN TELL YOU IN LOOKING AT IT, IT'S IT'S IT NEEDS TO BE RIGHT SIZED.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY SEVERAL TIMES, JOINT FACILITIES, SHARED USE.
WHAT OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES CAN WE MAKE? BECAUSE THE BETTER WE DO THERE, THE MORE AFFORDABLE OUR CIP IS, THE MORE DOLLARS THAT WE CAN DEVOTE TO IT.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE AT THE LEVEL IN THE OUT YEARS.
THOSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR US.
AND I THINK WE CAN MEET IT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY COLLECTIVELY.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION ON THE CONVERSATION.
I'VE DEFINITELY BEEN REFLECTING A LOT ON IT SINCE WE HAD IT.
AND SO IT'S KIND OF RAISED A COUPLE OTHER JUST QUESTIONS THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT.
SO THE FIRST ONE WAS MY FIRST QUESTION IS KIND OF ABOUT IN THE PRESENTATION YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL NEEDING 1200 SEATS FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
AND SO I JUST I WAS WONDERING IF YOU CAN SHARE ANY LIGHT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I WAS JUST KIND OF LOOKING BACK AT SOME OLD DATA AND WHICH KIND OF LEADS ME TO MY SECOND QUESTION AROUND LIKE HOW THE DATA IS BEING SHARED OUT AROUND ENROLLMENT, WHICH THE SCHOOL, LIKE YOU JUST SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE IN THE CIP BUDGET WHEN IT'S PROPOSED ON THE 10TH AND WE'LL HAVE A WORK SESSION.
SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
AND SO I GUESS JUST WANTING TO BE CLEAR FOR MYSELF AND FOR EVERYONE, JUST LIKE WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE FOR US TO GO FOR FOR THAT DATA? BECAUSE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT 1200 SEATS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL, IF THAT'S IF THAT'S ACCURATE, THAT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WHAT I READ IN SOME OF THAT PREVIOUS INFORMATION. SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE MY FIRST BUCKET.
AND THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER KIND OF QUESTION.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS OUR LARGEST COHORT EVER WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO.
SO SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY SEATS WE NEED IN THE FUTURE AND OUR PROJECTIONS FOR OUR KINDERGARTEN CLASSES OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS DON'T GET MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE OUR BIRTH DATA CONTINUES TO DECLINE.
BUT THE REASON THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT IS BECAUSE WHILE THEIR CAPACITIES ARE MEASURED MUCH LOWER THAN THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS THEY'RE THEY'RE HANDLING, THEY HAVE THE AMOUNT OF CLASSROOMS THEY NEED TO HANDLE THAT THEY'RE JUST THOSE CLASSROOMS ARE SMALLER AND THAT'S WHAT DRIVES THE CAPACITY.
AND SO THAT'S THAT IS PART OF THE CHALLENGE.
AND SO THE 1200, WHILE I THINK THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT MIDDLE SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE, I THINK THE SUPERINTENDENT IS GOING TO PROPOSE THAT 1703 BE A MIDDLE SCHOOL SOLUTION IN THE OUT YEARS.
THE CHALLENGE WE'RE FACED WITH AT MIDDLE SCHOOL WE'RE EXPERIENCING NOW.
AND SO WHEN YOU THINK OF THE URGENCY, YOU JUST THINK OF HOW WE'RE DEALING WITH IT.
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OOPS, SORRY. SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US ADDING 600 MORE STUDENTS OR SPACE FOR 600 MORE STUDENTS AND HAVING MIDDLE SCHOOLS THAT ARE 2000 KIDS FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT WOULD MEET OUR NEED.YES, FROM AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMING.
NO, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY DETRIMENTAL.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS LIKE THINKING ABOUT WHEN THAT QUESTION WAS RAISED, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE AN IDEA ABOUT THIS OR I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THINK ABOUT THIS, BUT WHERE COULD THAT STATEMENT OF VALUES KIND OF LIVE? WOULD IT BE IN THIS JOINT FACILITIES MASTER PLANNING BOOKLET? I KNOW THERE'S A DATABASE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO BE WITH THAT.
WOULD IT BE IN OUR CIP BUDGET PRIORITIES? SO ANY KIND OF LIKE FEEDBACK THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH US, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
I THINK THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS AROUND THAT, AS WE MENTIONED LAST WEEK, BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO GET THE DATA AHEAD OF US BEFORE WE START MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. AND THEN WE CAN ALSO SAY ALSO ON THE FLIP SIDE, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE POLICIES BEFORE THE DECISIONS ARE MADE.
AND SO WHEN YOU SEE OUR NEXT PRESENTATIONS, I THINK IT WILL GIVE YOU A CLEAR INDICATION OF WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS AROUND OUR VALUES AND WHAT OUR POLICIES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A JOINT EFFORT.
SO I THINK THAT WILL COME IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON WHEN THAT SITE MAY BECOME AVAILABLE? HI. GOOD EVENING. EMILY BAKER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
I KNOW THAT PLANNING PROCESS IS STILL IN PROCESS, BUT WE'LL SEE.
AS SOON AS I CAN GET AN ANSWER ON THAT, I'LL MAKE SURE WE SHARE IT.
I'M LOOKING AROUND. ALL RIGHT, MY FOLLOW UP AND DR.
REID, YOU GET ONE MORE FOLLOW UP.
REEVE HAS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT I THINK IS PROBABLY THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON HER QUESTION, BECAUSE WHEN WE WHEN WE WERE A LOT CLOSER TO THE LONG RANGE EFFORT, I THINK WE WERE A LOT MORE DISCIPLINED ABOUT KIND OF ON AN ANNUAL BASIS SAYING HERE'S THE HERE'S THE ENROLLMENT FORECASTS.
THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE. THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WILL BE THE CASE.
AND THIS YEAR, THIS YEAR, THIS YEAR, IT SEEMS LIKE WE GOT TO WE GOT AWAY FROM THAT.
I KNOW THEY'RE STILL HAPPENING, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE I'M NOT SEEING THEM AT LEAST.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING SOMEWHERE THAT I'M NOT SEEING.
I'VE SEEN I'VE SEEN I SEE IN YOUR BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF NEXT YEAR BECAUSE I CAN SEE THAT PART OF THE FORECAST BUT I DON'T SEE THE LIKE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE LONG RANGE PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A TEN YEAR, TEN YEAR OUTLOOK AND KIND OF WHERE WE THINK IS GOING TO GO.
AND OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW THAT I'M NOT HOLDING YOU TO IT.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SEND THAT BE GREAT.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST, JUST TO NOTE THAT THEY WE STILL DO TEN YEAR WE DO A TEN YEAR ENROLLMENT PROJECTION ANNUALLY AND IT IS REVIEWED WITH PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF THAT USUALLY BECAUSE OF THE TIMING, WE DON'T GET FINAL ENROLLMENT UNTIL THE END OF OCTOBER.
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AND SO ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS AREN'T DONE BY THE TIME OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET.BUT BY THE TIME THE SCHOOL BOARD ADOPTS THE BUDGET, THE ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS ARE DONE.
AND IF THAT HASN'T HAPPENED, I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM IN A WHILE.
WELL, WE HAVE THEM. AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS HOLDING OUT ON ME, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OH, NO, IT WOULD BE ME. IT WOULD BE.
THAT'S WHAT I. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA.
BUT THANKS TO EVERYBODY FOR THIS EVENING AND WE WILL BE IN TOUCH SOON.
APPRECIATE IT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.