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THANK YOU FOR JOINING US IN THIS MEETING.[Call Meeting to Order]
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD FOR THE TWO BODIES TO COME TOGETHER AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WANTING
[1. Joint Facilities Planning]
TO DO FOR A WHILE WHICH IS TAKE MORE OF A DEEPER LOOK AT OUR SORT OF LOCK RANGE FACILITIES APPROACH AND SO WE WILL DO THAT THIS EVENING.SO I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY OTHER THAN THAT AND I CAN TURN IT OVER TO DR. HART I BELIEVE.
AND TONIGHT MY TEAM AS WELL AS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER EMILY BAKER'S TEAM WILL BE PRESENTING ON THE JOINT FACILITIES MASTER PLAN.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE ACPS SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND TO CATHERINE KARA WAY FROM THE CITY.
I AM CATHERINE CARAWAY WITH THE CITY OF ALEXANDER.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE NEWER MEMBERS TO BOTH BODIES SO I WANTED TO JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE JOINT FACILITY MASTER PLAN AND THE ORIGIN OF IT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN AND THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THIS TOOL CAN INFORM A RANGE OF POLICY AND JOINT PLANNING.
SO IN 2017, THERE WAS A TASK FORCE FORMED TO OVERSEE A JOINT FACILITY AND TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON FUTURE PROJECTS CAPITAL IMPLEMENTATION.
SO IT'S ONE OF 16 RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE TASK FORCE AND WITH ALL OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, THE OVERARCHING THEME WAS THE IMPORTANCE OF EFFECTIVE SERVICE AN PROJECT DELIVERY FOR ALEXANDRIA'S RESIDENTS.
AND HOW JOINT PLANNING CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS DATA -- THIS PROCESS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS DATA HAS BEEN GATHERED COMPREHENSIVE AND COLLECTED AND CONSOLIDATED FOR JOINT PLANNING USE AND AS I MENTIONED IT'S INTENDED TO INFORM LONG RANGE PLANS.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A QUICK HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW.
SO THE JOINT FACILITY MASTER PLAN IS A COMPREHENSIVE LIVING TOOL THAT WILL YOU CAN USE FOR MASTER PLANNING.
THE DATA AND ANALYSIS PROVIDES US WITH FOUNDATION FOR MAKING DECISIONS INDIVIDUALLY AND JOINTLY.
AND ALLOWS US TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR FACILITY PLANNING.
SO WHAT WE DID IS LOOKED AT 60 BUILDINGS, I THINK 54 SITES.
WE GATHERED ALL OF THIS INFORMATION ON EACH OF THOSE THINGS AND COMPILED IT INTO A DYNAMIC DATABASE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE UPDATED.
IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO REMAIN STATIC AND WE ALSO HAVE TOOLS FOR MASTER PLANNING SUCH AS PRIORITIZATION TOOL.
AND COST MODELING TOOL AND SOPHIE WILL BE SPEAKING TO THOSE IN A LITTLE BIT.
NEITHER THE CITY OR ACPS HAS HAD THIS COMBINED DATA BEFORE SO IT'S A HUGE BEEN FIT TO HAVE IT ALL IN ONE PLACE SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT OUR CITY FACILITIES WHOLISTICALLY.
AND THE ANALYSIS AND FINDINGS SO AS I SAID WE INCORPORATED ALL OF THIS INFORMATION.
BUILT ON THE CITY'S STRATEGIC FACILITIES PLAN AS WELL AS SCHOOL LONG RAINENING FACILITIES PLAN.
TO JUST INFORM THAT INFORMATION AND MAKE SURE WE WERE STILL ON TRACK.
SO VERY HIGH LEVEL AND I KNOW I'M GOING THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.
THE -- WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF SITES THAT CAN BE UTILIZED MORE EFFICIENTLY.
WE HAVE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION OF DEVELOPMENT -- TWO AND A HALF SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN BE OFFERED ON SOME OF THESE SITES.
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YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SPREAD ACROSS THE CITY.WE FOUND THAT SCHOOLS AND FIRE STATIONS HAVE THE MOST NEAR TERM NEEDS.
>> THERE'S AN EXISTING ASSET, ADDRESS, GEOGRAPHIC ZONE, OWNERSHIP, PRIMARY ASSET CLASSIFICATION, MANAGEMENT, TYPE OF SCHOOL.
OF COURSE COLOCATED WITH THE REC CENTER.
THIS IS ONE OF THE MAIN DATA POINTS THAT WE'LL START TO ENTER.
OF COURSE ACPS COMPLETED THEIR FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENTS LAST YEAR AND SO THE LAST STEP IS TO INPUT THOSE NUMBERS INTO HERE SO WE CAN THEN START TO EXPAND AND MAINTAIN OUR DATABASE AS WE SAY WE WILL.
BUILDING CONDITIONS, YEARS, GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
NOW I'M GOING TO SWITCH OVER TO THE SITES.
AGAIN, IT LOOKS PRETTY SIMILAR THIS HELPS US IDENTIFY SQUARE FOOTAGES, NEEDED ASSETS, ALLOWABLE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO THAT IS OUR DATABASE AND YOU CAN JUST SEE HOW COMPREHENSIVE AND EXTENSIVE IT IS AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT FOR ACPS AS WEL AS FOR THE CITY TO MAKE.
SO NOW I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU ALL PRIORITIZATION TOOL.
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THIS ONE'S GOT COLOR.SO THIS IS THE RUBRIC ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE DATABASE.
IT SHOWS OF COURSE THE INPUTS AND IMPACTS AND PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE ON EACH SITE.
HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS URGENT NEEDS AND WHY MINIMIZING CONSEQUENCES, STRATEGIC ALIGNMENT, READINESS AND THIS JUST PROVIDES A RUBRIC THAT WE CAN BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT OUR DIFFERENT APARTMENTS, OFFICES, BODIES, SO THAT WE'RE ASSESSING PROJECTS AND SITES FROM A COMMON GROUND.
ACTUALLY GETTING INTO THE TOOL ITSELF.
AND IT'S ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 25.
OF COURSE THE DARKER BLUE, YOU KNOW, BEING A PROJECT THAT MAYBE ISN'T QUITE READY YET.
MAYBE IT WAS JUST BUILT AND DOESN'T NEED INVESTMENT FOR ANOTHER TEN OR 15 YEARS AND GREEN HAS A HIGHER LEVEL OF READINESS.
IT ALSO CAN CHANGE BASED OFF OF CERTAIN POLICY DECISIONS OR READINESS.
FOR EXAMPLE GEORGE MASON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IF WE NOW HAVE SWING SPACE FOR IT WITH THE AGREEMENT WITH BEAUREGARD AND IT'S READY AND THE SCORE GOES UP.
THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN USE THIS TOOL.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S STILL NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF POLICY LEVEL DISCUSSION FOR TIN PUT INTO THAT DATABASE BUT IT CAN ALSO IMPLEMENT DISCUSSIONS.
BUILDING OFF OF THAT DATA PACE, WE ALSO DID A SCHOOLS ANALYSIS TO START TO LOOK AT CAPACITY AND SCENARIOS THERE.
BUT ALSO TAKING INTO CONTEXT OUR POLICIES AT ACPS SO ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS ELEMENTARY CAPACITY WITH REPLACEMENTS AS GEORGE WASHINGTON, KELLY, AND THE SOON TO OPEN DOUGLAS MCARTHUR.
THE BIGGEST POINT HERE I THINK IS THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS THAT WILL NEED CAPACITY IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
SOME OF THOSE SCENARIOS AND WE'LL GET INTO THEM LATER IN THE PRESENTATION WHICH INCLUDE RIGHT SIZING OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND ADDING A 6 OR 1,200 STUDENT MIDDLE SCHOOL.
WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT THE BOUNDARIES IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS KEEPING ALL THAT IN CONTEXT.
ANOTHER INPUT WE LOOK AT FOR REPLACEMENT OR RENOVATION OF SCHOOLS ARE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENTS AND AFCIS THAT CAME OUT OF THEM.
TAKING A LOOK AT HERE IN A MINUTE CAN HELP GUIDE SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS OUTSIDE OF THE TEN YEAR CIP IN TERNLY FOR THE TEN-YEAR CIP AS WELL.
SO IS ROAD MAP IS CONSOLIDATION OF THE DATA THAT WE LOOKED AT COMPILED
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WITH THE NEEDS IDENTIFIED FROM THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS.SO WE'RE LOOKING AT NEAR TERM NEEDS WHICH ARE KIND OF IN THE TEN YEAR FRAME.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY SUPPOSED TO ALIGN EXACTLY WITH THE CIP BUT SOMEWHAT IT DOES.
AND THEN MID AND LONGER TERM NEEDS WHICH ARE HARDER TO IDENTIFY BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.
SO SOME DECISIONS MADE WILL AFFECT THE MID AND LONG TERM PROJECTS OF THIS ROAD MAP.
WITHIN EACH PHASE WE HAVE ORGANIZED SITES BY THEME.
SO INVEST, OPTIMIZE, TRANSFORM.
THAT MEANS SOME SITES YOU'RE GOING TO INVEST IN YOUR FACILITIES IT'S CONSOLIDATING THE EXISTING INFORMATION FOR A SITE.
WHERE THE NEED WAS IDENTIFIED.
WHAT THE NEED IS FOR THAT SITE OR THAT USE.
IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMAIN.
IS IT THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO RELOCATE.
AND THEN PROVIDE NOTES THAT EXPLAIN DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR EACH SITE.
SO THIS WOULD INEVITABLY UPDATE EVERY TIME THAT WE UPDATE THE DATABASE WITH NEW INFORMATION.
SO, AGAIN, THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS A LIVING PROCESS.
AND OUR TEAMS BOTH STAFF TEAMS ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THIS TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CURRENT.
CATHERINE AND I ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME SITE SCENARIO EXAMPLES JUST ILLUSTRATING THE POTENTIAL ROAD MAP THEMES BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT TRANSFORM, OPTIMIZE, RENOVATE.
WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME EXAMPLES.
THESE ARE NOT SITE PLANS OR PRESCRIPTIVE.
THESE ARE JUST BUILDING MASSES AND LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF A FEW SITES.
SO WE ARE GOING START WITH THE SCHOOL SITE.
THIS IS GEORGE WASHINGTON MIDDLE SCHOOL OF COURSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS IS JUST THE EXISTING CONDITION.
YOU CAN SEE THE SCHOOL IN BLUE.
PARKING IN YELLOW AND THEN OF COURSE THE FIELDS IN GREEN HERE.
AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL IS RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF OPTIMIZING THE SITE.
THERE'S A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE AT GEORGE WASHINGTON.
OF COURSE WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE FIELDS AS WELL AS ANY PUBLIC OPEN SPACE BUT ALSO LOOKING AT ADDING CAPACITY TO THOSE MIDDLE SCHOOLS AS WELL AS OUR OTHER NEEDS.
THIS SHOWS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BUT IT COULD BE ANOTHER ACPS USE SUCH AS ANOTHER MIDDLE SCHOOL OR ANY OTHER ACPS NEED.
AND THIS IS JUST A MODELING OF IT.
AGAIN, MAINTAINING THAT PUBLIC OPEN SPACE BUT ALSO LOOKING AT A RENOVATION OF THE NONHISTORIC WING WHILE OF COURSE MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
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I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CATHERINE FOR THE NEXT ONE.SO THIS AREA IS IN EISENHOWER EAST.
YOU SEE THE BLOCK HIGHLIGHTED IN THE RED OUTLINE.
IT'S CURRENTLY THE CITY'S BODY SUBSTANCE ABUSE CENTER AND SO WE ROOKED AT THAT SITE.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS POTENTIALLY YOU COULD LEAVE THAT USE ON SITE AND BUILD SOMETHING ON TOP, FOR EXAMPLE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR SOME OTHER USE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S -- IT -- ANY -- THE EISENHOWER EAST SMALL AREA PLAN ALLOWS FOR FLEXIBILITY ON THAT SITE AND THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL.
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A SITE THAT CAN BE OPTIMIZED OR TRANSFORMED AND TRANSFORMED MEANING ONE OF THE OPTIONS COULD BE TO MOVE THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE CENTER AND INCORPORATE ANOTHER USE ON THIS SITE.
AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER LOOK AT ONE OF THE OPTIONS.
THERE'S A LOT OF HEIGHT AVAILABLE IN EISENHOWER EAST GIVING US A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF INTERESTING.
IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE LIBRARY IF YOU CAN POINT TO THE LIBRARY, SOPHIE.
BUT THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS FOR US TO KIND OF EXPLORE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
WHAT CAN WE DO THAT MAXIMIZES THE SITES AND ADDRESSES OUR NEEDS BECAUSE RESOURCES ARE SCARCE.
SO ONE OPTION WE LOOKED AT HERE WAS MOVING THE DOG PARK AND CREATING AN INTERSECTION I CAN'T POINT TO -- AN INTERSECTION THERE AT DUKE STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE.
BECAUSE CURRENTLY THERE'S A RAMP AS YOU ALL KNOW.
I'VE USED IT MANY TIMES TO GET TO THE FIELDS OVER THERE BUT THAT COULD -- THIS IS A WHAT IF.
IT COULD BE TRANSFORMED INTO A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.
AND SO THE CARS WOULD HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THAT FOUR WAY INTERCHANGE IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN AND WHATEVER THE USE IS, I MEAN, IT COULD BE A COMMUNITY FACILITY, IT COULD BE ANYTHING THAT WOULD FIT THERE WOULD HAVE ACCESS DIRECT ACCESS TO THE LIBRARIES, TO THE FIELDS THERE, AND IT JUST MAKES FOR A NICE LITTLE CONNECTION.
THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SAME.
I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO SOPHIE.
SO JUST SOME KEY TAKE AWAYS FOR THE JFMP.
AS REITERATED, IT'S A LIVING FLEXIBLE TOOL THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED AND WORKED ON BY STAFF.
WITH NO UPDATES OR OUTDATED DATA AND IT JUST SERVES AS A ROAD MAP FOR OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY AND THE SCHOOLS AS THEY ARISE.
I BELIEVE I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY MANAGER NOW.
>> SO ACTUALLY JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS BEFORE WE KIND OF GET INTO THE DISCUSSION PART THAT I THINK YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY.
COUPLE OF THINGS I CALL ATTENTION TO.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ROAD MAP.
I CALL IT MORE OF A GUIDANCE DOCUMENT FOR THE BOARD AND THE COUNCIL.
WHAT I WOULD CALL ATTENTION PARTICULARLY TO IS THE NOTES.
THAT'S SORT OF THE JOINT STAFF'S THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES AND HOW THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED.
WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS IS THIS TOOL ONE OTHER HIGHLIGHT IS THOSE ILLUSTRATIONS THAT YOU SAW, THEY RILL ADMINISTRATIONS -- THEY ARE ILLUSTRATIONS.
THEY'RE NOT INTENDED TO SORT OF SEED AN IDEA ABOUT A PARTICULAR SITE.
THERE INTENDED TO SHOW THAT -- THEY'RE INTENDED TO SHOW THE CAPABILITY OF NOT JUST THE TOOL BUT THE STAFF CAPABILITY TO GIVE YOU A SENSE WHEN YOU DECIDE, HEY, I NEED TO KNOW WHAT WOULD WE DO IF WE NEEDED TO REPLACE OR WE NEEDED -- HAVE A NEED FOR SOMETHING.
WE THINK ABOUT NEED AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE TOOL GIVES US SOME REALLY GOOD FACTUAL DATA INCLUDING SOME ORDER OF MAGNITUDE COST DATA WHICH IS ALWAYS REALLY HELPFUL.
IT GIVES US SOME UNDERSTANDING OF HOW A DEVELOPMENT COULD OCCUR OR REDEVELOPMENT OR A RENOVATION COULD OCCUR FROM A ZONING LAND USE STANDPOINT ALL THOSE DYNAMICS.
AND THEN YOU SEE SOME OF THE GUIDES THAT STAFF IS GIVEN BASED ON SOME OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY VALUABLE.
AND THEN THE FINAL PIECE I WOULD RAISE IS THAT THE INVEST OPTIMIZE AND TRANSFORM YOU MAY HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU'RE DOING BOTH.
MAYBE A COUPLE COMBINATIONS DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU GET INTO JOINT USE OPPORTUNITIES.
I THINK THE POINT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EXTENT OF THE REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS, THINK ABOUT IT FOR A SECOND FROM A REAL ESTATE, THE CITY AND ACPS HAVE SIGNIFICANT REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITIES GOING FORWARD FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
THERE'S STILL A SERIES OF DECISIONS THAT BOTH BODIES NEED TO MAKE BUT THE REALITY
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IS THAT ALL THAT WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE PAST HAS LED TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS ENOUGH REAL ESTATE UNDER CONTROL OF THE BODIES TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE THINGS YOU NEED TO ACHIEVE SO THEN IT BECOMES QUESTIONS THAT THESE TWO TALENTED STAFF ARE GOING TO COVER AS WE TALK ABOUT THE JOINT PLANNING DECISION.>> SO TAKING THE DATABASE, THE ANALYSISES, FINDINGS, TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE MAKE THESE JOINT PLANNING DECISIONS AND HOW JUST A RANGE OF POLICY AND JOINT PLANNING DECISIONS CAN BE INFORMED BY THAT SET OF TOOLS SO THE FIST ONE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IS CAPACITY SOLUTIONS FOR THE ACPS, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MODERNIZATION DECISIONS IN URBAN LONG TERM USES FOR SOME OF OUR LAND ASSETS AND THEN SOME JOINT USE POSSIBILITIES.
SO THE FIRST EXAMPLE WE HAVE ARE THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS.
SO JUST A BASELINE CAPACITY ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT 1,200 ADDITIONAL SEATS ARE NEEDED IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL GRADE LEVELS, 6 THROUGH 8.
BOTH EXISTING SCHOOLS NEED SOME MAJOR INVESTMENT WITHIN THAT SAME TIMEFRAME AND BOTH SIDES ARE SOME OF -- SITES ARE SOME OF THE LARGEST PUBLIC SITES IN THE CITY.
SO JUST SOME POTENTIAL SCENARIOS THERE AND THESE ARE JUST KIND OF OPENING IT UP TO EVERYBODY FOR DISCUSSION.
RIGHT SIZING THE EXISTING MIDDLE SCHOOLS SO MODERNIZATION INTO I BELIEVE BELIEVE 1,600 STUDENT SCHOOLS HELPS WITH THAT.
THEN ALSO THE ADDITION OF A 600 OR 1,200 STUDENT MIDDLE SCHOOL WHICH COULD BE ON EXISTING SITES OR NEW SITES.
AND THEN OF COURSE LOOKING AT OUR BOUNDARIES.
I WANT TO JUST OPEN THE FLOOR TO START TALKING ABOUT THESE CAPACITY DECISIONS.
SOME OF THESE EXAMPLES IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE JFMP ITSELF.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU ALL.
SO I BELIEVE OUR CAPABLE MAYOR IS GOING TO DEAL WITH THE HAND RAISING IN THE ROOM BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE OUR GROUP.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHO THE VERY CAPABLE ONE IS.
I WAS LIKE WHERE ARE THOSE THINGS.
THEY NEED TO BE IN THIS DOCUMENT.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS WHAT IS THE CURRENT BUILT CAPACITY FOR BOTH HAMMOND AND GW?
>> BUT THERE ARE DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK SOME DECISIONS THAT ACPS MIGHT MAKE WOULD INFORM WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ON BLOCK 24 ON NORTH POTOMAC YARD.
ALL THOSE SITES, GREEN HILL, EISENHOWER EAST, THE PLAN RECOMMENDS A SCHOOL SITE AS WELL.
THE NORTH POTOMAC YARD AND I'M SPACING BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A FOURTH ONE.
I GUESS I WAS THINKING OF THE SIMPLE SON SITE BUT THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD'S RECENT DECISION RELATED TO THE INTERIM USES ON THAT SITE.
BUT I'LL TURN THE SECOND QUESTION OVER TO SOPHIE.
AND SOPHIE IS TRYING TO PULL UP THAT DATABASE ON OUR PHONE.
LET'S GO TO VICE CHAIR GREEN AND THEN VICE MAYOR JACKSON.
IT'S GREAT TO SEE IT COME TOGETHER SO NICELY AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
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I WAS WONDERING HAS ANY THOUGHT OR IN THE NEAR TERM DISCUSSION BEEN GIVEN TO THE LEE CENTER IN CONVERTING THAT BACK TO A SCHOOL?>> ONE OF THE MODELS THAT WE DID FOR THIS PROCESS WAS TO LOOK AT THE LEASE CENTER.
THERE -- THE LEE CENTER THERETO ARE OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR THAT SITE.
BUT IT DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE TRANSFORMED.
ONE MODEL SHOWS A SMALLER SCHOOL FACILITY NEXT TO THE LEE CENTER.
IF THAT WERE TO BE PURSUED, YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES -- I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK CLOSELY AT TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
I THINK IT'S REALLY -- IT'S VERY TIGHT AND DIFFICULT TO THE CIRCULATION IS VERY DIFFICULT.
BUT YOU KNOW THAT'S THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS TOOL.
WE CAN MODEL DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT'S JUST REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO POLICY DECISIONS AND FINANCING.
YOU TOOK MINE SO I TOOK JOHN'S UNTIL HE'S HERE.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO START.
LET'S START WITH THE LEASE QUESTION.
THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION VICE CHAIR.
SO IN TERMS OF CREATING NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THESE ARE.
BACK IN THE DAY, TANEY AVENUE, YOU HAVE POLK ELEMENTARY, THAT WAS ESTABLISHED AS A K THROUGH 3 SCHOOL.
AND THEN THAT -- ALL THE KIDS FROM THAT SCHOOL THEN WENT TO PATRICK HENRY WHICH IS NOW THE SWING SPACE 4 THROUGH 6 AND THEN YOU WENT TO HAMMOND 7 THROUGH 9.
THERE WAS NO -- HOWWARD WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THEN YOU WENT 10 THROUGH 12 TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT LEE CENTER AND WHAT IS COMING DOWN THE PIPE FOR ROUTE ONE AND THE HUGE PROJECT THAT'S ABOUT TO COME DOWN THERE, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A GREAT SUGGESTION IN TERMS OF KIDS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IT WOULD BE TALKABLE.
>> AND THEN THAT BEING SAID THAT'S A QUESTION.
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I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO STOP THERE.THAT'S THE CANED OF DIALOGUE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AND SO WHAT YOU ESSENTIALLY ASKED A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT, WHAT WAS THE PROGRAMMING OF THE FOCUS OF THE SCHOOLS.
A SERIES OF MIDDLE SCHOOL, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE DATABASE IS TELLING US IS THAT ELEMENTARY CAPACITY IS BEING MET AND WILL BE MET IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE TO THE EXISTING SCHOOLS.
THE CAPACITY PIECE THAT'S NOT BEING MET OR NOT LIKELY -- IS THE MIDDLE SCHOOL PIECE WHICH IS DEFINED AS THE CURRENT MIDDLE SCHOOL PROGRAMMING PIECE.
SO AS A BODY YOU CAN MAKE IT -- YOU TALKED ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS.
IF THE DIRECTION IS A LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS, WE CAN USE THE DATABASE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT THE IMPLICATION OF THAT DECISION OR POLICY DECISION WOULD MAKE.
PROBABLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS DEFINING OF NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS.
WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN TERMS OF FACILITY EXISTING FACILITIES.
AND HOW THAT MATCHES UP AND WHERE WE HAVE GAPS BUT THAT MAY ALSO MEAN WE HAVE EXISTING LOCATIONS THAT ARE NOT IN THOSE AREAS THAT COULD BE PERHAPS REPROGRAMMED TO SOMETHING ELSE.
STOW THAT'S THE POLICY QUESTION, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA THAT YOUR CAPACITY, THE CAPACITY NEEDS FOR ELEMENTARY ARE REALLY BEING MET THE WAY THAT IS ALREADY STRUCTURED AND YOU HAVE A MIDDLE SCHOOL NEED AND THEN ON THE MIDDLE SCHOOL NEED, YOU WOULD LOOK AT -- YOU EXPAND ON EXISTING LOCATIONS.
ARE THEY IN THE RIGHT ELECTIONS FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL? IF THE ANSWER IS YES THEN YOU EXPAND AN EXISTING LOCATION.
IF IT IS NOT THEN YOU WOULD LOOK AT POTENTIALLY OTHER OPTIONS.
SO THOSE ARE REALLY QUITE FRANKLY YOUR DECISIONS.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESPOND TO ANY DIRECTION.
>> THAT WAS A LONG WINDED ANSWER.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION IF I MAY JUST AS A JUMPING OFF POINT FOR -- TWO OTHER QUESTIONS HONESTLY.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS OF COURSE THOSE WILL BE MORE WALKABLE.
YOU WOULDN'T NEED THE BUSSING.
BUSSING IS AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE.
AND I KNOW DASH BUS HAS BEEN GREAT BUT NOT EVERYONE ESPECIALLY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PARENTS CANNOT DO THAT.
BECAUSE, WELL, A LOT OF THINGS.
LOGISTICS AND WHERE THOSE BUS STOPS ARE AND WHAT TIME YOU HAVE TO BE OUT THERE TO CATCH A BUS COMING IN 20, 30 MINUTES.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT -- SO ONE THING IS TRANSPORTATION.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, MCARTHUR IS KIND OF OUT OF ITS SORTS JUST BECAUSE IT'S ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL BUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS SWING SPACES ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED SOMEWHERE.
AND WE'RE ABOUT TO TAKE THE SWING SPACE AWAY THAT MCARTHUR IS IN.
SO I GUESS I -- YOU KNOW, ANOTHER QUESTION IS WHERE WILL THESE KIDS IF THEY CANNOT BE BUILT ON THE LAND ALREADY, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO AND HAS THAT BEEN THOUGHT OF? RIGHT.
ALSO WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE SHELTER, MY CONCERN IS WHAT IS THE NEXT
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STEP FOR THAT SHELTER? IS IT GOING THROUGH INTO WHERE DCHS HAS JUST MOVED? IS IT GOING INTO ANOTHER BUILDING? DO WE HAVE A PLANA IF WE'RE ABOUT TO SAY NO WE'RE MOVING THAT AWAY?>> IT WOULD NOT MOVE INTO THE MARK CENTER AND YOU'RE POINTING OUT A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT HOW THESE SCENARIOS WORK.
IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING USE IN A BUILDING THAT YOU BELIEVE IS A COUNCIL IS NECESSARY OR IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY LIKE THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND YOU WANT TO TRANSFORM OR CHANGE THAT SITE, WE HAVE TO FIND A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
AND I THINK THAT SORT OF IS THE BUZZAL OF BOTH THE BEAUTY AND THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THERE'S NUMEROUS DECISIONS, SOME SCHOOL RELATED, SOME CITY RELATED, SOME CLEARLY -- SO THE QUESTION THERE IS, YOU KNOW, DID YOU BELIEVE THAT NEED STILL EXISTS AND SHOULD -- AND IF IT DOES, THEN THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A BETTER USE FOR THAT PROPERTY AND DO YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE LOCATION? BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOU MAY HAVE A GREAT IDEA ON THE SITE BUT UNTIL YOU FIND A WAY TO SOLVE THAT NEED, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
LET ME JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, IT DOES SEEM LIKE THERE ARE UNDERLYING POLICY QUESTIONS THAT ARE QUESTIONS WE WILL COLLECTIVELY ANSWER, THE TWO BODIES.
THERE ARE POLICY QUESTIONS THE CITY COUNCIL WILL ANSWER THAT WILL INFORM HOW WE APPROACH SOME DECISIONS AND THEN POLICY QUESTIONS THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL DECIDE TO INFORM SOME OF THESE AND WE HAVE JUST HEAR SOME OF THEM THAT I THINK DO NEED TO BE SORTED OUT BY RESPECTED BODIES OR COLLECTIVELY.
K THROUGH 8 IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
THROUGHOUT THE TIME I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS, I HAVE HEARD VARYING OPINIONS ABOUT THE EDUCATIONAL PLUSES AND MINUSES OF K THROUGH 8 AS A MODEL FROM SCHOOL BOARDS AND I THINK AT SOME POINT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING -- I MEAN, I HAVE OPINIONS BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN WEIGH IN AND MAKE A VIEW ON BUT IT DOES INFORM HOW WE APPROACH THIS.
AS OF LAST YEAR WE HAVE 400 PLUS KIDS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL AT THE TWO K THROUGH 8 SCHOOLS AND IF YOU GUYS ARE CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THAT AS A MODEL, GREAT.
THAT'S AN INPUT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE INFORMED IN THIS.
IF YOU'RE NOT YOU NEED TO SAY THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT K THROUGH 8 PURELY ON ENROLLMENT.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS HAVE TO WEIGH IN FROM THE EDUCATIONAL PERSPECTIVE.
CONVERSELY, THE QUESTIONS RAISED AROUND SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND HOW WE PROVIDE THAT, THAT'S A DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE.
WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR HOW WE PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.
IF THIS IS A PRIORITY, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO KNOW WHAT TIMELINES WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, GET THROUGH SOME OF THESE POLICY THINGS IN
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ORDER TO SUPPORT THE STAFF TO GET MOVING ON THIS WORK.I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT FIRST AND THEN I CAN ASK MYSELF THAT.
>> I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A GOOD PROBLEM BECAUSE THE CIP WORK THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY IS PRETTY STRONG WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A ONE YEAR ONE YEAR ONE YEAR SO I FEEL PLEATTY CONFIDENT THAT THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE.
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT COMES FORWARD THAT MAY COMPEL OR HAVE RESERVE SITE TO BE DONE DIFFERENTLY THAT'S A QUICK CONVERSATION THAT'S VERY FOCUSED.
SO THAT'S HOW I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU APPROACH THE POLICY.
AND I THINK PROBABLY IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO -- >> LET'S GIVE DR. HART A CHANCE.
I ALSO JUST WANTED TO ADD ON TO TO THE CITY MANAGER -- AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WANT TO DESIGNATE THAT AS A 600 SCHOOL MIDDLE SCHOOL SITE AS PART OF OUR OVERALL DESIGN WORK THAT WILL GO INTO DESIGNING THE TWO SWING SPACES USED AT THAT SITE BUT THE FINAL DECISION FOR 1703 WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW FAIRLY SOON IF WE WERE GOING TO MAKE THAT INTO A 600 STUDENT MIDDLE SCHOOL OR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR WHATEVER THAT GRADE LEVEL WOULD BE.
SO WHILE THAT IS SITE SPECIFIC I THINK IT TIES INTO THE K8 CONVERSATION OVERALL BECAUSE THEN WE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD AS WE DEVELOP FUTURE YEAR CIPS TO DETERMINE WHAT WE NEED TO PROPOSE TO THE BOARD IN TERMS OF EITHER RENOVATING FACILITY SITES OR POTENTIALLY NEW FACILITY SITES EVEN FOR K 8 OR TRADITIONAL MIDDLE SCHOOL O EXPANDING OUR EXISTING MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
I WOULD ECHO WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID.
THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL AND INSIGHTFUL.
THE FIRST IS EARLIER IT WAS STATED THAT WE STARTED WITH MIDDLE SCHOOL BASED ON THE PREMISE THAT ELEMENTARY NEEDS ARE ALREADY BEING MET.
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I KNOW A FEW WEEKS AGO A BUNCH OF US GOT EMAILS ABOUT TUCKER AND JEFFERSON HOUSTON.I WAS WONDER IF STAFF CAN TALK ABOUT HOW YOU BALANCE THIS TOOL WITH ALSO COMMUNITY PERCEPTION OR CHANGES HAPPENING RAPIDLY AT SCHOOL ESPECIALLY AS WE HAVE NEW KIDS COMING IN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, HOW DOES THIS TOOL ADAPT TO THAT INFORMATION AND THOSE PERCEPTIONS AS WELL?
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
ALSO PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF OUR PARENTS THAT COME, IT IS THEIR PERCEPTIONS AND THAT THERE ARE OFTENTIMES OUR STAFF CAN GO INTO THOSE SCHOOLS AND WORK THROUGH ACCOMODATIONS.
I THINK AT THIS TIME IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MIDDLE SCHOOL BECAUSE BY THE TIME THESE FACILITIES WILL BE OPENING, THEY WILL BE IN MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND SO WE'RE MAKING PROJECTIONS NOW FOR THAT MIDDLE SCHOOL BASED OFF OF THOSE ELEMENTARY NUMBERS.
WE DO KNOW THERE'S A GROWING NUMBER OF STUDENTS WHO HAVE REGISTERED THIS SCHOOL YEAR POST PANDEMIC THAT THAT ARE TRYING TO PREPARE FOR SO I THINK IF THEY CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS TEAM THAT'S A HELPFUL TOOL IN COMBINATION WITH THIS TOOL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROJECT OUT THOSE NUMBERS PROPERLY AND I THINK JUST MAKING SURE WE CAN KEEP EVERYONE INFORMED ALONG THE WAY WOULD BE OUR NEXT STEP TO ADDING SOMETHING TO THAT TOOL.
I THINK THE CONNECTION BETWEEN HOW THOSE TWO PIECES WORK TOGETHER AND HOW WE FIND WAYS TO COMMUNICATE THAT AND SOMETHING SIMPLE AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND WOULD BE GREAT.
THE SECOND QUESTION FEELS TO ME BEFORE WE CAN GET INTO THE QUESTION ABOUT DO WE NEED A NEW SITE, I KNOW THE VICE MAYOR WAS RAISING TRANSPORTATION AND OTHER PIECES, HAS THERE EVER BEEN AN EXERCISE EITHER BETWEEN OUR TWO BODIES OR SEPARATELY AROUND WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT AROUND SCHOOLS? LIKE WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE IN PLACE IN A TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE, HOUSING, CONNECT TAVTY, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS AND THEN USING THAT AS A SET OF PARAMETERS TO THEN BACK MAP AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED A NEW SITE OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE IN THE RIGHT SITES.
AND IF THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAYBE FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
>> YOU KNOW, I CAN TAKE A SHOT BUT THERE MIGHT BE MORE.
I THINK THE MIXEDER PLAN OF THE COMBHUNT IS DONE OUT OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH THE SMALL AREA PLANS AND I WILL SAY THEY'RE ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD PLANS.
WELL THOUGHT OUT AND THEY DO REFLECT THE TYPES OF USES THAT WOULD BE PART OF
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THE ECOSYSTEM FOR SCHOOLS.THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO BE -- THERE MAY BE SOME USES THAT FIT PERFECTLY NOW FOR SCHOOLS THAT WE DIDN'T CONTEMPLATE.
SO UPDATING SOME OF THAT I THINK WOULD BE NECESSARY BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT A CITY WIDE EFFORT FOR THAT BAH I THINK THE PLANNING OF THOSE AREAS ARE PRETTY STRONG WITH THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE FACILITIES OR POTENTIAL FACILITIES AND LAND HOLDINGS.
SO THAT'S HOW I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT IS ADDRESSED.
>> I SHOULD SAY I DON'T THINK WE NEED A CITY WIDE EFFORT.
I GUESS I WAS WONDERING MORE FROM THE QUESTION OF WHEN WE'RE ASKING OURSELVES COULD IT BE A NEW SITE IS THERE ALMOST LIKE A CHECKLIST WE COULD LOOK AT THAT'S LIKE HOW DO WE KNOW IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT SIDE, NEEDED IN A NEW SITE, AND THEN YOU COULD MAKE THE DECISIONS BETWEEN IS NORTH POTOMAC YARD ALMOST LIKE A LITTLE CHECK BOX.
IN ADDITION I WOULD ALSO SAY WE LOOK AT AVAILABLE SITES EXISTING SITES AND POTENTIALLY NEW SITES AND PLAY THOSE SCENARIOS OUT A WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL IS SOUND FOR EDUCATIONAL USE.
I GUESS MAYBE THEN SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IN THE FUTURE AS WE DO THE ILLUSTRATIONS MAYBE SEEING HOW LIKE IF WE TAKE ONE OF THE ILLUSTRATIONS DONE TONIGHT HOW DOES THAT POTENTIAL MODEL OR THAT EXAMPLE HELP US CHECK OFF SOME OF THE THINGS ON THOSE BOXES EITHER EDUCATIONALLY OR SOME OF OUR PLANNING AND COUNCIL GOALS.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION WAS JUST RELATED TO PLANNING FORWARD.
I KNOW THE LAST TIME I THINK WE WERE ALL TOGETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CIP.
AND THEN THEY'RE ON FOR SO LONG AND THEN AS ALL OF US NAVIGATING THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND PERCEPTION AND FRUSTRATION ABOUT HOW LONG THE PROJECTS TAKE AND NOT ALWAYS BEING ABLE TO CLEARLY ARTICULATE THONG PLANNING DEPOSE INTO THIS AND DID WE NEED SHORTER I GUESS CHUNKS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT COULD FEASIBLY COME ONLINE BUT I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION.
I WOULD ARGUE SOMETIMES TEN YEARS IS TOO SHORT FOR THIS TYPE OF THING SO WE NEED A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME FOR PLANNING.
THE THINGS GOING IN THE OUT YEARS MCARTHUR IS A PER IF HE CAN EXAMPLE.
THAT WAS IN THE CIP LONG BEFORE I STARTED IN THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THEN THAT GOT PUSHED BACK AND BACK AND I'M PROBABLY REMEMBERING TH BATHROOM INCIDENT ANYWAY, FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
HAVING SERVED ON THE BOARD IN 2013 AND 15, THIS WORK THE TWO STAFFS HAVE DONE TOGETHER IS JUST INCREDIBLE.
IT'S SUCH A -- ARM WRESTLING MATCH IN TERMS OF WHAT PROJECT WE WOULD DO BECAUSE WE COULD DO THIS WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THOSE TRADEOFFS NO MATTER WHAT BUT BEING ABLE TO WORK
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TOGETHER AND WHOLISTICALLY IN TERMS OF THE ASSETS WE HAVE WITHIN OUR CITY I THINK REALLY IT HAS A MUCH BETTER PICTURE ABOUT WHAT OUR OPPORTUNITIES ARE WITHIN THE CITY SO THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU COMBOS AND YOUR RESPECTIVE STAFFS.SO FROM WHAT I'M HEARING AT LEAST ON THE MIDDLE SCHOOL I'M GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT OUR TWO BODIES DO NEED TO MAKE SOME POLICY DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ADJUSTING THE SIDES OF OUR TWO CURRENT MIDDLE SCHOOLS OR LOOKING AT ONE SINGLE STAPLEDING MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND THAT'S -- MY QUESTION THERE I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, MY QUESTION THERE IS THAT LET'S SAY WE WANTED TO GO AND CREATE OU OWN MIDDLE SCHOOL.
BOTH HAMMOND AND GW NEED WORK REGARDLESS SO HOW DO WE BALANCE THAT OUT? IN THIS PROCESS?
>> WE WOULD STILL BUILD IN THAT WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO AT GW AND HAMMOND AS PART OF OUR CIP PROCESS.
WE DO THAT NOW ESSENTIALLY AS PART OF OUR PROCESS EVEN IN THE MODERNIZATION STAGE.
SO WE WOULD JUST CONTINUE TO BUDGET THAT IN OUR CIP.
MY OTHER QUESTION THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO COME BACK TO BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS CONSIDER WHAT IS THE BEST STRUCTURE FOR OUR STUDENTS IN ALEXANDRIA AND HOW BIG OF A MIDDLE SCHOOL DO WE WANT? JUST TO TACK ON MORE SPACE IN OUR CURRENT TWO AND MAKE THEM LARGER? IS THAT THE BEST ACADEMIC SITUATION FOR A MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENT OR SHOULD WE BE SAYING HERE'S WHAT WE SHOULD STRIVE TO DO FOR CAPACITY FOR BUILDING BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO SERVE OUR STUDENTS AND USE THAT AS OUR GUIDE POST FOR DECIDING ON WHETHER WE DO ANOTHER BUILDING OR JUST TRY TO
TACK ON EXTRA SPACE IN MIDDLE SCHOOL >> WE'VE ALREADY STARTED SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE.
I THINK WHEN WE'RE SITTING IN THIS MEETING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT 23IZ CAL CAPACITY SPACE BUT WE NEED TO STEP BACK AND LOOK AT INSTRUCTIONAL PROGRAMS AND PROGRAMMING WHETHER IT'S THAT K 8 MODEL WE'VE STARTED THAT DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT LAST QUEER AND THAT'S A DECISION I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE PRIOR TO GOING INTO ANY OF THESE PHYSICAL LOCATION DECISIONS.
BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT THE SPACE DESIGNS AROUND INSTRUCTIONAL PROGRAMMING A BIT MORE VERSUS DOING THE BACK FIT OF HERE'S A BUILDING RIGHT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO INSERT OUR CHILDREN IN PROGRAMS INTO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
IF WE CAN START THINKING ABOUT THAT MOVING FORWARD ABOUT THIS IS WHAT OUR STUDENTS NEED AND HOW CAN WE DESIGN STRUCTURES AROUND THAT TO GIVE THEM THE BEST EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE.
>> SO WE WILL CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
>> TRYING TO BE DELIBERATE ABOUT ALTERNATING HERE.
I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS GOING ALONG MY LINE OF THINKING.
FIRST TO BACK UP, THANK YOU TO BOTH STAFFS.
I APPRECIATE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IN IFS OF THIS DOCUMENT AND WHAT IT TALKS ABOUT.
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT I THINK A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT AND MENTIONED IS THE NEED TO MAKE SOME OF THESE DECISIONS POLICY DECISIONS AROUND WHAT PROGRAMS OR PROGRAMMATIC DECISIONS WE NEED TO HAVE AND PUT THOSE DECISIONS LOOK LIKE.
TO OUR STAFF LEADERS, MADAME SUPERINTENDENT AND CITY MANAGER, IS THERE A DANGER IN MAKING THESE POLICY DECISIONS TOO EARLY? I APPRECIATE THE SUPERINTENDENT'S RESPONSE BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT WHAT DOES THE MODEL LOOK LIKE BUT IS THERE ANY DANGER IN MAKING THIS DECISION TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS?
>> I THINK MAKING THE DECISION PERHAPS -- BUT I THINK THE INTENT WOULD BE NOT TO KIND OF MAKE A FORMAL DECISION BUT PROVIDE YOU WITH THE OPTIONS OR PARAMETERS IF YOU DECIDE TO, THAT THIS IS WHY YOU ARE POLICY DIRECTION HERE ARE SOME OF THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT.
I THINK THAT IS A USEFUL CONVERSATION CURRENTLY AS OPPOSED TO DOWN THE LINE.
BUT THAT GIVES YOU SEE WHERE YOU MIGHT HEAD DOWN THE ROAD FROM NOW INSTEAD OF THE TWO OR THREE YEAR EXPERIENCE THAT IS LOCKED IN FRANKLY.
THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING THAT COMES TO THE FOREFRONT THAT MIGHT
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REPRESENT A WAY TO SOLVE A NEED THAT MAY HAVE BEEN -- YOU MAY HAVE DECIDED SOMETHING BUT ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY COMES FORWARD AND IF IT'S NOT THE RIGHT AVENUE I WOULD LIKE UNDERSTANDING.WE HAVE NEEDSES POSSIBILITIES AND OPTIONS BUT ONE I THINK I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE IS SOME KIND OF FORMAL THOUGHT AND FORMAL RECOMMENDATION BUT IDEAS BY STAFF WHERE HO DO WE FUND THIS? WHAT BIG IDEAS ARE OUT THERE REGARDING FUNDING.
OF COURSE, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE IN SOME OF OUR LISTENINGER TERM PLANNING DOCUMENTS.
WE'VE HAD ADDENDUMS OR CHAPTERS THAT HAVE SPOKE TO FINANCIALING OPTIONS THAT NEED TO OCCUR.
WHEN I SAY THAT I MEAN IF THERE'S LOBBYING FOR CERTAIN STATE FUNDS OR THE CREATION OF A CERTAIN PROGRAM.
I KNOW WE HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN THE STATE TO START TO LOOK AT SCHOOL MAINTENANCE IN A REASONABLE WAY AND SO IF THERE'S A DECADE WORTH OF LOBBYING THAT USED TO HAPPEN IN A TERN AREA PUTTING THAT IN WRITING IN A MAJOR WAY MIGHT OPEN UP DOORS.
SO I THINK HAVING THAT CONVERSATION BROUGHT TO THIS CONVERSATION I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL AND NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT JUST THE NEEDS BUT HOPEFULLY THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CHAPMAN.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.
I CAN TELL IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY VALUABLE TOOL FOR DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE.
I HAVE SOME OF THE IN THE WEEDS QUESTIONS ABOUT DATA THAT APPEARS IN THE TOOL.
I NOTICED IT WAS DATED MARCH 2021.
IS THIS FROM THE FALL 2020 MEMBERSHIP REPORT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I'M GOING TO ASK ALL MY QUESTIONS AND THEN LETTED YOU GO.
JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S A COUPLE OF YEARS OLD.
AND WHAT IS THE CALCULATION FOR SCHOOL UTILIZATION RATE.
IS THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE OR TAKING INTO ACCOUNT NUMBER OF CLASSROOMS AND CLASSROOM SIZES.
AND THEN MY THIRD AND FINAL QUESTION IS YOU KNOW RENOVATION AND OPTIMIZATION ARE EVEN TO MEET SORT OF THESE NEAR TERM NEEDS MULTIPLE YEARS OFF ARE THERE OTHER CREATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR ADDRESSING CAPACITY IN EVEN SHORTER TERM.
THANK YOU FOR THOSE QUESTIONS.
THIS IS BASED OFF OF THE FALL MEMBERSHIP REPORT FROM 2020.
SO WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS AND UTILIZATION IT'S FROM THOSE DATES.
THE UTILIZATION RATE IS BASED OFF OF THE CAPACITY AS WE CALCULATE IT WITH THE SCHOOL VERSUS THE ENROLLMENT.
USUALLY IT FALLS WITHIN A RANGE THAT WE LIKE TO SEE SO OVER I BELIEVE 110% IS BEING OVERUTILIZED.
>> I THINK WHAT YOU WERE ASKING WHAT ARE INTERIM SOLUTIONS THAT CAN BE PUT IN PLACE.
A QUESTION THAT THE TEAM AND I DEFINITELY THINK THROUGH A LOT.
I THINK THERE'S OFTEN THE SUGGESTION ABOUT MODULARS OR TRAILERS AS AN IMMEDIATE SOLUTION BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS AS CLEAN CUT THERET ARE CERTAIN SITES THAT WE JUST MAY NOT BE PERMITTED BUT PUT THOSE MODULAR BUILDINGS ON.
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AS WELL AS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH A LENS OF EQUITY, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CLASSROOMS WE WOULD BE PROVIDING IN THESE FACILITIES WOULD BE EQUITABLE TO THE SERVICES THE STUDENTS ARE RECEIVING INSIDE THE BRICK AND MORTAR SCHOOL.THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING WE WILL COMPLETE TOMORROW.
UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T SAY THAT WE HAVE AN ANSWER TODAY BUT IT'S HIGH ON OUR RADAR.
ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WE MAKE SURE TO BRING FORTH SO SHE CAN SHARE.
>> JUST WANT TO WHICH HE MY COLLEAGUES THANKING YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
BUT THE CURRENT UTILIZATION RATE AT GEORGE WASHINGTON MIDDLE SCHOOL LAST YEAR'S UTILIZATION, 145% UTILIZATION RATE AND -- UTILIZATION RATE.
THOSE ARE JUST STABBING OUT TO ME AND I WANTED TO NAME THOSE.
I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION AND THEN A COUPLE COMMENTS.
WHERE DOES THAT NUMBER COME FROM?
>> IN GENERAL SO THIS WAS HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT EACH SITE AND WE LOOKED AT WE JUST TOOK WHAT THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET IS NEEDED THAT WAS IDENTIFIED TO US, FOR EXAMPLE, STORAGE.
SO THE MINIMUM AMOUNT WAS 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER STORAGE AND I'M FORGETTING THE MAXIMUM BUT WE WOULD LOOK AT OTHER NEEDS IDENTIFIED TO US AND WHAT AN ESTIMATE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE NEEDED.
SO FARCE LIKE THE CONSIDERATION PIECE OF IT FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, ONE THING I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS THIS QUESTION OF THERE'S WHAT'S ASPIRATIONAL AND THEN THERE'S WHAT'S FEASIBLE AND I THINK THAT THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE RUN INTO I THINK IN OUR PLANNING IN THE PAST.
LIKE TWO ISSUES THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER AND THINK ABOUT AND DIVE DEEPER IN AND THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN TOUCHED ON.
ONE IS WHAT IS THE EDUCATIONAL BEST PRACTICE BECAUSE IT SEEMS THE CAPACITY AND SORT OF THE WHAT'S FEASIBLE RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN DRIVING A LOT OF OUR DECISION MAKING AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVEN THE K TO 8 MODEL, THE CONNECTED HIGH SCHOOL NETWORK MODEL AND I AM CONCERNED HOW THAT IMPACTS OUR STUDENTS, HOW THAT IMPACTS OUR STAFF.
HOW IT IMPACTS TRANSPORTATION SOMETIMES AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND I'M FEELING MORE AND MORE LIKE ESPECIALLY WE'VE GONE WITH THESE LARGER SCHOOL MODELS AND KEEP GOING FOR THEM AND AS AN EDUCATION BEST PRACTICE I'M NOT SURE THAT REALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
THE PASS YEAR I'M THINKING ABOUT -- PAST YEAR WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE TRADEOFFS.
THE SCHOOL COMMUNITY HAS EVEN A HARD TIME GATHERING IN THE SCHOOL BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE BECAUSE THEY'RE SO LARGE.
I THINK WE HAVE IMMEDIATE PROBLEMS IN FRONT OF US.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE FEASIBILITY QUESTION.
SO JUST KIND OF SOMETHING THAT I WANT US TO THINK THROUGH AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION IS -- AND I THINK IT IS A LOVELY SCHOOL BUILDING.
I THINK THE LACK OF GREEN SPACE IS ONE OF THE PIECES OF FEEDBACK -- THAT'S WHY I
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THINK FOLKS -- I WAS BRINGING UP THE LEE CENTER BECAUSE IT HAS ALL THAT WONDERFUL SPACE SO THOSE ARE TWO KIND OF POLICY LEVEL DECISIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAYBE TRY TO COLLECT MORE DATA ON TO COLLECT MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY OR WHATEVER INFORMATION WE CAN USE TO INFORM OUR DECISION AROUND THAT AND THEN I'LL JUST THROW THIS SINCE YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF WHAT IFS.AN ASPIRATIONAL THOUGHT I HAD COMING OUT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF WHAT WAS SHARED WITH US.
KNOWING THAT GW AND HAMMOND ARE TWO SITES WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF CAPACITY AND THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE MODERNIZE, ONE THOUGHT IS TO HAVE SPACE ON THOSE TWO SITES FOR BOTH HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS.
ANOTHER BUILDING OR WHATEVER IT IS.
IF YOU WERE TO IN A VERY LONG TERM FUTURE DID THAT ON BOTH SITES AND HOWARD WAS CONVERTED TO A MIDDLE SCHOOL THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THREE HIGH SCHOOLS AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS EQUALLY SPACED OUT.
>> MR. MAYOR, ON OUR ANALYSIS ONE OF THE SUNGSES WAS NO NET LOSS ON OPEN SPACE.
ONE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HASN'T CONSIDERED THAT.
I DON'T THINK I POINTED THAT OUT BEFORE.
AND WE ALSO ASSUMED EXISTING ZONING.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THOSE THOUGHTS? OKAY.
SO ACTUALLY I'M GOING PUT SOMEONE ELSE IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN BECAUSE YOU ALREADY TALKED.
WELL, ACTUALLY, SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER REEF TOUCHED ON -- A LARGE DEGREE OF THE QUESTION THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK TO WHAT DEGREE HISTORICALLY HAVE WE LET OUR DECISIONS BASED ON CAPACITY VERSUS, YOU KNOW, CREATIVE VISION OR EDUCATIONAL DRIVEN VISION AND WERE THERE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THAT.
ADMITTEDLY NOT BEING AN EDUCATOR, THERE WAS SO MUCH TALK, YOU KNOW, WHAT I MEAN, ABOUT THE NUMBERS THAT I JUS WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT AS SOMEBODY HERE LISTENING AND LEARNING I ECHO HER SENTIMENTS.
I WOULD LOVE TO JUST ENSURE AND MAKE SURE THAT THESE DECISIONS ARE BEING INFORMED WHOLISTICALLY.
THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD TO THAT IS WE'RE SEEING THE VALUE OF THE TEEN WELLNESS CENTER AND THAT SPACE COLOCATED.
WE'RE SEEING HOW MAYBE A RETURN OF SOME TECHNICAL EXPOSURES IN OUR SCHOOLS AND SOME -- THE EXPANDED AVAILABILITY OF SORT OF SOCIAL EMOTIONAL LEARNING AND THE BEST SPACES FOR THOSE PRACTICES TO TAKE PLACE AND I GUESS AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS LEARNED A LOT, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY ABOUT THE VALUE OF THOSE I DON'T WANT TO CALL THEM EXTRACURRICULAR BUT SORT OF NONBUTT IN CHAIR RECEIVING LESSONS THE VALUE THAT THOSE SEEM TO HAVE TO OUR STUDENTS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED SO MUCH ABOUT HOW LUNCH AND LEARN MEANS TO THEM AND HOW SOME OF THESE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO INTERACT WAS MEANT TO THEM.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO ALIGN MYSELF I HOPE THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE DECISION MAKING ACCOUNTS FOR THOSE IDEAS.
I MEAN, I APPRECIATED EXTRASTY IS CLEARLY A KEY METRIC BUT I HOPE TO CONTINUE LEARNING FROM ALL OF YOU AND FROM OUR STAFF ABOUT WAYS OUR PHYSICAL SPACES CAN INCORPORATE THESE NONDESK BOUND ELEMENTS OF STUDENT LIFE AND OF COMMUNITY EXISTENCE THAT HAPPEN IN OUR SCHOOLS.
SO YOU GUESS I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION BUT JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT THOUGHT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD THINGS HAPPENING IN OUR SCHOOLS THAT ARE LESS TIED TO CLASSROOM CAPACITY AND ARE TIED TO THESE CULTURAL RELATIONSHIPS THAT ARE
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BUILT AND COMMUNITY BUILDING OPPORTUNITIES AND SO I HOPE THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CHOICES REFLECT THAT VALUE.>> TO BE IN AGREEMENT, RIGHT, I WOULD ALIGN MYSELF WITH HER AS WELL.
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE MY INITIAL QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF ALLUDING TO WHAT MR. BOOZE ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP AND THEN WE STARTED HAVING A CONVERSATION AROUND WITH SIZE AND CAPACITY IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THEN I WAS GOING TO DOVE TAIL INTO WHAT MS. REEF BROUGHT UP BUT I WOULD TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND SAY WHAT IF WE CONVERTED BOTH THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS BACK TO HIGH SCHOOLS.
CONVERTED JOHN ADAMS BACK TO A MIDDLE SCHOOL.
CORE KELLY ON THE LIST TO BUILD OUT SOON PUT THAT INTO A MIDDLE SCHOOL.
IT'S NOT AS NICELY IN A BOX AS HAVING THREE MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND THREE HIGH SCHOOLS ON THE SAME SITE WHICH I LIKE THE PREMISE OF.
YOU GUYS HAVE THOSE NUMBERS YET?
SO BASED ON ED SPECIFICATIONS FOR HAMMOND IT'S 1 NOW 396 STUDENTS AND FOR GEORGE WASHINGTON IT'S 1,150.
>> BECAUSE THE WHOLE IDEA IS RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, DO WE TRY AND BUILD OUT AND MAKE THOSE TWO MUCH LARGER MIDDLE SCHOOLS OR DO WE BUILD OUT A THIRD MIDDLE SCHOOL TO THE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP PART OF IT IS I THINK YOU SAID THIS THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE SCHOOLS AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE AND THEN THE WHOLE CONVERSATION AROUND OUR SCHOOL IS TOO BIG, RIGHT.
COMING FROM LOS ANGELES WE USED TO HAVE HIGH SCHOOLS THAT WERE SIX OR SEVEN THOUSAND KIDS AND THEY COMPLETELY WENT THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
THEY'VE BROKEN A LOT OF HIGH SCHOOLS UP AND MADE THEM SMALLER AND JUST THINKING ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT WE HAVE NOW, BECAUSE WHAT I WAS THINKING IF YOU BUILD OUT THE CAPACITY AT THE TWO MIDDLE SCHOOLS TO SAY 1,500 THAT'S 3,000 AND THEN THE CURRENT HIGH SCHOOL IS BUILT OUT FOR 2,500.
SO THAT WOULD GIVE US HIGH SCHOOL CAPACITY BUT WE'RE STILL LACKING THE MIDDLE SCHOOL CAPACITY THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE CONVERSION OF JOHN ADAMS AND CORE KELLY BUT, YEAH.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO THINK ABOUT AND I WOULD DEFINITELY BE IN FAVOR OF REDUCING THE OVERALL SIZE OF SOME OF OUR SCHOOLS KIND O MOVING FORWARD BUT I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS.
ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT SO THIRD THROUGH SIXTH GRADE WAS IN TRAILERS THE ENTIRE TIME AND FROM SEVENTH THROUGH 12G9 I HAD MULTIPLE CLASSES IN THE TRAILERS SO IT'S NOT A BAD WORD.
I WANT TO JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE.
AND THEN THE LAST THING TWO THINGS.
EISENHOWER EAST, WHERE'S THE LOCATION? THE PARCEL?
>> I DON'T NEED TO LEAN IN I GUESS.
THERE'S A SPECIFIC LOCATION AND WE'RE TALKING WITH DEVELOPERS AT EISENHOWER EAST AND THAT'S UNDER DISCUSSION.
>> AND THEN THE LAST THING I GUESS YOU KNOW SINCE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE THESE ILLUSTRATIONS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME MODELS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT JUST FOR COST AND TIME AND TIMELINES AND ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
AGAIN, ILLUSTRATIONS NOT MAKING THREE HIGH SCHOOLS.
>> ANYTHING SPECIFIC YOU'RE REFERRING TO?
I THINK WHAT DR. REEF BROUGHT UP WITH HAVING THE POTENTIAL OF THREE HIGH SCHOOLS AND THREE MIDDLE SCHOOLS ON SITE.
WHAT I BROUGHT UP IN TERMS OF HAVING THE CONVERSION OF THE TWO MIDDLE SCHOOLS TO HIGH SCHOOLS AND TWO OTHERS CONVERTED TO MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND JEFFERSON HOUSTON TO A MIDDLE SCHOOL AS WELL POSSIBLY.
>> BUT THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT THAT IT'S -- THIS IS A LONG TERM VISION.
NOT SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING TO THE MAYOR'S POINT THAT IT'S TOO SHORT IN TEN YEARS.
I'M THINKING 30 PLUS YEARS RIGHT.
BECAUSE IN THIS BUILD OUT CAPACITY AT EACH LEVEL SINCE THE SMALLER SITES WE DO HAVE AT POTENTIALLY GREEN HILL AND POTOMAC YARD WHICH I DON'T THINK ARE BIG ENOUGH TO BEGIN WITH IF AT LEAST THERE'S TO A SPECIFICITY FOR AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WE'RE FINDING SOME SPACE AND AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS A LOT EASIER TO FIND A SPACE FOR THAN TRYING TO BUILD A WHOLE NEW HIGH SCHOOL.
FRANCIS HAM NONTHE PRESENTATION YOU TALKED ABOUT THERE'S SPACE THERE THAT COULD BE OPTIMIZED.
IS THERE ILLUSTRATION OF THAT AND IF NOT WHERE'S THAT SPACE OR HOW WOULD
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THAT SITE BE OPTIMIZED.SO WE LOOK AT THAT SITE AND YOU KNOW THERE'S THE LOWER PART OF THE PLEA MONDAY SITE THAT WE LOOKED AT AND SO REALERY AGAIN IT'S GOING THE BE DEPENDENT ON POLICY DECISIONS.
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS OR THE NOTION OF A MIDDLE SCHOOL.
THIS GIVES US A SENSE OF THE BUILT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE THAT MAY NEED TO BE WORKED ON OR REPLACED IN THE FUTURE.
DO WE HAVE A SIMILAR CATALOG OR DATABASE OF TRACKS OF -- TRACTS OF OF LAND IN THE CITY THAT MAY BECOME AVAILABLE AT SOME POINT THAT WE COULD TARGET FOR LOCATIONS FOR SOME OF THESE OPTIONS? OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THINGS THAT WE KNOW ARE HAPPENING AT LANDMARK MALL BUT THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF BUT THERE'S OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY.
HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE BRINGING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IN FIRST ON THESE TRACT OF LAND DECISION MAKING PROCESSES.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY AS PART OF THIS PROCESS WE DID LOOK AT WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE SIZABLE PIECES OF LAND THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE OUR NEEDS.
BUT SO WE INCORPORATED ALL OF THOSE.
SO WE -- IT WAS ACTUALLY I THINK REFRESHING -- I MEAN AND I UNDERSTAND FROM A PROGRAMMING PERSPECTIVE THIS MIGHT NOT -- YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BUT BEING ABLE TO USE EXISTING SCHOOL SITES TO ADDRESS WHATEVER THE CAPACITY ISSUES ARE JUST BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THAT'S PRETTY, YOU KNOW, AMAZING I THINK.
JUST WAS WE DON'T HAVE THAT -- WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH SPACE IN THE CITY.
BUT, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAMMING DECISIONS AND POLICIES PLAY INTO THAT.
>> TRENT A REPORT THAT ACPS STAFF BROUGHT TO THE BOARD A FEW YEARS AGO THAT WENT THROUGH THE SITES THAT WERE AVAILABLE? I SEEM TO RECALL THAT THAT EXISTS.
>> COULD THAT BE KEPT UP TO DATE?
SO THAT WAS OUR ACQUISITION PRESENTATION AND I THINK WE'VE DONE I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER I THINK WE'VE DONE TWO SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
ONE IN 2020 AND BODY I BELIEVE WE DID AN UPDATE LAST YEAR SOMETIME.
BUT I CAN GO BACK AND CONFIRM THAT, YES.
>> THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST SHARE WITH EVERYONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE IS -- >> YEAH.
WHAT ARE THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE BEYOND JUST BUILDING IN OUR CURRENT SITES OR PERHAPS LOOKING AT OUR OWN RULES REGARDING BUILDING HEIGHTS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN TAKE OUR SCHOOLS UP MORE IF WE NEED TO IN THE FUTURE.
SO AS I MENTIONED, WITH REGARD TO SCHOOL SITES WE WERE CONSIDERING ALL OF THE SITES UNDER EXISTING ZONING BUT THERE'S ALSO AN OPTION ALREADY IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWING THE HEIGHT OF SCHOOL BUILDINGS TO GO UP SO WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITH THAT.
AND THERE WERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT TRIGGERED -- >> I SAY A LOT OF TRIGGERING THINGS.
>> BUT IN TERMS OF JUST OVERALL PLANNING FOR SCHOOL SITES WHEN WE DO OUR SMALL AREA PLANS, WE DO CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE COMMUNITY AND CIVIC USES AND AS THE CITY MANAGER I THINK MENTIONED.
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LOOK AT THAT AND WHAT THE NEEDS ARE BASED ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS FOR THOSE AREAS.IF ACPS DOES CHOOSE TO LOCK AT MODULARS WHICH I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT AS WELL, CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THE PERMITTING OF THOSE CAN BE AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE.
I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE AND SOME ISSUES AROUND THAT THAT WERE BROUGHT TO US FROM ACPS AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE -- IT WOULD BEHOOVE THE CITY TO PREPARE FOR WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD AND STAFF OF ACPS CHOOSE TO DO.
THE LAST THING THAT I WANTED TO GO BACK AND MENTION AND I THINK I TALKED ABOUT IT AND SO MAYBE IT SOUNDED LIKE MAYBE A COMMENT VERSUS A QUESTION THAT I WAS LOOKING AT ANSWERING.
LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER FOR IS THE IDEA OF WHETHER IT'S FINANCIAL MODELING OR FINANCIAL OPTIONS FOR HOW WE FUND EVERYTHING THAT WE'R PLANNING.
I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE MAKE GRAND PLANS WITHOUT ANY IDEA ABOUT NOT ABOUT COST BUT HOW WE PAY FOR THOSE COSTS.
SO COULD STAFF GIVE ME A RESPONSE TO THAT? THANK YOU.
I GUESS THE BOTTOM LINE IS ESPECIALLY AS I LOOK AT WHAT THE INTEREST IS OF THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FUND THOSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE FUNDED IN ALL TRADITIONAL WAYS SO THINGS LIKE PROPERTY, THE P3 OPPORTUNITIES.
ADJUSTING HOW WE TALK ABOUT DELIVERY AND EXTENSION OF THE PROJECTS.
YEARS OF WHICH HAVE YOU TO TAKE CARE OF DOING THINGS.
PLAN FOR THAT AND BUDGET YOUR MONEY SO THAT WE CAN UTILIZE THAT.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M HEARING IS THAT I CAN START TO THINK OF WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE SCHOOL STANDPOINT WITH NEEDS THAT KNOW THE CITY HAS TODAY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THERE'S REAL VALUE BUT IT'S NOT JUST IN THE CAPITAL COST.
WE TALK ABOUT OUT OF SCHOOL TIME.
WE TALK ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS.
SHARING RESPONSIBILITIES FOR SOME OF THAT I THINK FROM AN OPERATING STANDPOINT THAT'S ACTUALLY THE SCARIER PART BECAUSE CAPITAL I THINK WE CAN FIGURE OUT IN SOME WAYS BUT OPERATING COSTS AND EXPANSION OF THAT WITH THE JOINT -- SO THOSE ARE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE OPTIONS BUT YOUR POINT ABOUT LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING MECHANISMS IS AS WELL AS GRANT OPPORTUNITIES WHERE SOMEONE MENTIONED VOCATIONAL OR APPRENTICE KIND OF SCHOOL COMPONENTS.
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I APPRECIATE THAT.I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO KEEP IN MIND AND I THINK THE MAYOR MIGHT SIDE WITH THIS BUT I THINK AS WE LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE MODELS FOR THINGS TO PAY FOR THINGS AND WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LEVEL OF EDUCATION.
I KNOW I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYTHING ABOUT P 3S.
I WOULD SUGGEST PROBABLY MOST OF US DON'T BUT I WOULD SAY FOR POLICY MEMBERS POLICY MAKERS THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF ONBOARDING IF WE'RE GOING TO EVEN GO DOWN THE ROAD OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND SO I BRING THAT -- WE VALUES OUR PUBLIC FACILIIES TEAM NOW IN PLANNING AND ZONE SOING WE DEFINITELY ARE LOOKING TO FACILITATE.
I DO WANT TO SAY THAT IF AN APPLICANT AND WE SEE THIS ALL THE TIME IN THE CITY IF AN APPLICANT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROCESS THAT MEANS WE PROBABLY NEED MORE WORK ON IT.
>> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS CONCERNING THE USES OF THE BUILDINGS FROM THE PAST AND HOW THEY WERE USED IN HIGH SCHOOLS ENTHEN I'M GOING TO NOW COME INTO THE FUTURE OF WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT 65 AND 84 URALYT BUILDINGS ISN'T THAT ABOUT RIGHT FOR GW AND HAMMOND.
NOT TO MENTION 85 -- >> PROBABLY IN THE -- >> YEAH.
>> SO THEY WERE NOT BUILT FOR THIS TIME PERIOD.
SO WHEN WE ARE THINKING AND I KNOW YOU'RE ALREADY DOING THIS.
WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PROGRAMMING VERSUS THE PRACTICE CALTY OF WHAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE BEING USED FOR BUT THEY WON'T ALWAYS BE USED FOR WHAT WE'RE PLANNING THEM TO BE USED FOR.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ALSO TOP OF MIND.
THAT WE DON'T -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY WASTE MONEY BECAUSE OF COURSE WE'LL NEVER DO THAT BUT I WANT TO JUST BRING THAT TO THE FOREFRONT THAT WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR RIGHT NOW I KNOW THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO DO MCARTHUR AND EVEN HOWARD COMING ONLINE WHICH IS MAKE SURE THE BUILDINGS AREN'T JUST FOR THE HERE AND NOW IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DECADES BUT THAT WE WANT THEM BUILT FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS LIKE MULTIGENERATIONS.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT'S ALSO BEING LOOKED AT AS WE GO FORWARD.
THE HOW IS NOT JUST SMALL BUT ALSO LARGE AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILT SO WE CAN USE THE BUILDINGS.
THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION.
THIS IS WHAT I WAS HOPING WE WOULD HAVE.
SO LET ME JUST SAY THE -- I LOVE US DOING THIS KIND OF THINKING.
THE GW ONE EXCITED ME BECAUSE I'M SITTING HERE THINKING AND I WAS TEXTING ONE OF MY FORMER COLLEAGUES HERE FROM 14 YEARS AGO COUPLE OF US TWO LONELY MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING LAND SWABS AT GW AND BEING CREATIVE ABOUT HOW WE USE THAT SITE THAT RUN US INTO A BUZZ SAW IN THE COMMUNITY BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER SITES THAT ARE BIG WITH A LOT OF OPTIONS.
WE'RE NOT MAKING A LOT OF LAND LIKE WE GOT TO BE CREATIVE ABOUT HOW WE DO PARTICULAR THINGS.
I ALSO THINK THE HEADLINE OUT OF THIS PRESENTATION AND IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE
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I THINK IT'S DOMINATED A CONVERSATION THAT THE BOARD AND COUNCIL HAVE HAD FOR A LONG, LONG TIME IS THAT WE CAN MEET THE NEEDS OF ENROLLMENT IN OUR SCHOOLS WITH PROPERTIES WE OWN TODAY.AND I THINK THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT STATEMENT AND NOT TO SAY WE MAY NOT NEED MORE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE.
BUT AT LEAST AS IT RELATES TO THE PLANNING HORIZON WHETHER IT'S 10, 20, 30 YEARS OUT, WE HAVE A LOT TO KEEP US BUSY ON OUR EXISTING SITES FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A BEGINNING OF A WAY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT.
LET'S FIGURE THAT OUT FIRST AND PLAN THOSE OUT AND START TO DEAL WITH THAT AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DO WITH ADDITIONAL LAND ACQUISITION.
THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE AND I THINK WE'VE HEARD THIS THROUGH COMMENTS TONIGHT IS THERE'S AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF LINKAGE IN DECISIONS THAT BOTH SIDES ARE MAKING RELATED TO FACILITIES AND HOW THEY COME TOGETHER SO OBVIOUSLY WE TALKED ABOUT K-8, LEE CENTER, THE SWING SPACE IDEA.
AND WHAT IT ULTIMATELY BECOMES.
AND THEN THE TIMETABLE ON THOSE DECISIONS AND THEY HAVE A REALLY LONG TRAIL.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS MADE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A RELATIVELY MINOR DECISION ABOUT SIMPLE SON RECENTLY THAT HAS A DECADE LONG TALE IF NOT LONGER REALLY.
FOR WHAT IT MEANS WE CAN AND CANNOT DO AS IT RELATES TO SCHOOL FACILITIES.
I THINK WHAT I'M STILL LEFT WANTING AND I THINK MAYBE THIS IS FOR A FUTURE CONVERSATION IS REALLY HOW WE STRUCTURE THE DECISIONS.
WHAT IS THE TIMETABLE FOR DECISIONS FOR THESE POLICY QUESTIONS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THE DECISIONS ARE.
WE GOT TO FIGURE THAT OUT TOO BUT SOME OF IT IS THE TIMETABLE AND THE DECISIONS.
YOU GUYS HAVE ED SPECS AND THEY'RE THE LEAD INTO A COMPROMISE ON EXISTING SITE.
WE DON'T BUILD EXACTLY TO THE ED SPECKS ON EVERY SINGLE SITE.
IN FACT WE FREQUENTLY COMPROMISE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD BECAUSE EVERY SITE CAN'T ACOME KATE EVERYTHING SO I'M NOT SURE I WOULD POINT TO THAT NECESSARILY BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A WAY THAT YOU GUYS MAKE THE -- IT'S MORE THE NONNEGOTIABLE DECISIONS THAT FRAME SO IF K THROUGH 8 IS NOT IN THE MODEL AND WE KEEP COMING BACK TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S AN EASY ONE TO FRAME THIS QUESTION BUT IF IT'S NOT THE MODEL AND WE SHOULD NOT BUILD THAT IN TH FUTURE EVEN TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND THEN LET US KNOW IF IT'S A MODEL THAT YOU DO FIND PROMISING AND YOU THINK IS SOMETHING THAT WANTS TO INFORM FIGURE THAT OUT TOO AND I THINK SOME OF THESE OTHER DECISIONS AROUND OPEN SPACE AND THINGS LIKE THAT THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME GENERAL POLICY DIRECTION BUT THEN UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PRO-MIZE ON INDIVIDUAL SITES AND WORK THROUGH THOSE AND SO I THINK THOSE ARE -- PARTICULARLY RELATED AND MORE IMMEDIATE DECISIONS NOW AROUND MIDDLE SCHOOL PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO MIDDLE SCHOOL, THOSE ARE DECISIONS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT AND MAYBE THE ANSWER IS IT'S A VARIETY OF ANSWERS.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 600 KID MIDDLE SCHOOL OR K THROUGH 8.
IT'S GOING TO BE MAYBE BOTH IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AND THE VICE MAYOR WAS RIGHT THOUGH THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE OPTIONALTY OVER TIME AND CLEARLY LOOKING AT EVERY SCHOOL BUILDING IN THIS CITY THE WAY WE'VE CHANGED THE USE HAS CHANGED OVER TIME YOU KNOW THEY WERE K THROUGH 3 WITH INTEGRATION AND THEN WE MOVED TO DIFFERENT MODES OF HOW WE PROGRAM SCHOOLS FOR OTHER REASONS.
THAT'S TRUE IN EVERY BUILDING WE HAVE.
SO I THINK THAT CERTAINLY NEEDS TO BE HOW WE THINK ABOUT THAT.
SO I GUESS THOSE ARE MY KIND OF BROADER THOUGHTS.
I HAVE VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS I'LL PROBABLY EMAIL YOU ON THAT.
BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE HERE.
AND DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE MORE PRESENTATION.
>> I BROUGHT UP THE POTOMAC YARD SITE THE NEXT TIME WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS WE HAVE THIS NICE SHEET IF WE CAN INCLUDE THOSE TWO ON THERE.
I KNOW FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU LEFT THEM OFF BUT I WOULD LIKE THEM ON THERE.
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IT'S A GOOD COMPARISON.AND I GUESS I LIKE EISENHOWER ONE.
>> WE CAN PROBABLY PULL UP AN EST BUT SPECIFICALLY IN THAT CONVERSATION WE HAD IT ON SLIDES WHERE WE KIND OF HAD IT LAID OUT SORT OF WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT COLOCATION WHAT WE CONSIDERED TO BE PRIORITIES AS A SCHOOL DIVISION.
SO I GUESS I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS MAYBE.
ONE DO WE NEED A FORMAL MOU OR SOMETHING? OR IS THIS AN INFORMAL HANDSHAKE HERE? I DON'T THINK SO UNTIL WE KNOW -- THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR JOINT USE AND AGAIN IT GETS BACK TO NEED.
AND THEN IT'S ALSO SITE SPECIFIC BECAUSE WHILE THERE REGISTER OCCASIONAL PARAMETERS LIKE THE BOARD CHAIR DESCRIBED THERE BAY PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS THAT END THEMSELVES FROM THINKING ABOUT IT AS A SHARED SITE BUT DIFFERENT.
AND THEN THE REALITY IS WHEN WE THINK ABOUT JOINT USE NEED AND TYPE I THINK YOU NEED TO THINK A LITTLE BIT BROADER ABOUT THE OPERATIONAL BENEFITS OF HAVING SHARED USE OF SOME IF THAT'S LAND, PARKING, THOS SIMPLE ONES, OR IT COULD BE OPERATIONAL SHARING WHERE WE'RE SHARING ADMINISTRATIVE, WE'RE SHARING COMMUNITY SPACES.
>> THAT'S I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY WHEN THE QUESTION CAME UP BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE ALREADY KIND OF HAD SOMETHING GOING AND THIS IS WHAT PROMPTED ME SAYING AN MOU.
DO WE NEED TO PUT PEN TO PAPER AND HAVE THIS KIND OF DOWN SOMEWHERE SO THAT WE'RE NOT COMING BACK TO THIS QUESTION AGAIN SAYING, WELL, DID WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION OR NOT?
>> I THINK KNOWING THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN REFER TO, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING BOTH BODIES AGREE TO THEN THAT'S GREAT.
I NEED TO ACTUALLY I NEED TO SEE THAT AGAIN.
BUT JUST HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING FROM BOTH BODIES WHAT YOUR EXPECTATION IS FOR JOINT PLANNING AND JOINT USE IS HELPFUL.
THAT I THINK GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID THOUGH WE MIGHT HAVE TO AT LEAST PUT SOMETHING DOWN ON PAPER JUST BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE JUS GOING BACK TO WELL REMEMBER WHAT WE HAD ON THAT CONVERSATION ON THAT ONE NIGHT.
ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE STAFF INFORM THE CAPACITY TO DO IT BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME PARAMETERS WRITTEN OUT.
>> I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS A POTENTIAL FOUNDATION AND BUILD OFF OF THAT BUT ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT FACILITIES A LOT BUT THE SPACES ALSO ALLOW US TO ADDRESS SOME OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES RELATED TO STORM WATER, MANAGEMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO EVEN MORE.
AND THE REALITY IS THAT SOME OF THE BEST LAND AVAILABLE TO IT WE ALREADY OWN AND SO THAT ALSO RELATES TO OPEN SPACE BUT IT ALSO RELATES TO THE TYPES OF
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THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO ALLOW US TO DENSE IDENTIFY PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY MOST SUITED FOR THAT AND ALLOW FOR US TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE ISSUES.>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
I'M WONNEDERERING IF THERE'S BEEN ANY COLLECTION OF DATA FROM THE PLACES WHERE THERE IS SPACE.
I KNOW A HEAR A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK FOR EXAMPLE ABOUT THE TEEN WELLNESS CENTER FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL.
LIKE IF THERE'S A WAY TO GO COLLECT FEEDBACK FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING AN EXPERIENCING THESE JOINT SPACES THAT EXIST RIGHT NOW AND WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT HAVE BEEN THE CHALLENGES IN BRINGING THAT BACK SO I'M GUESSING THERE ARE SOME THAT MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE AND MAYBE SOME THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING.
I'M CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THE COLLABORATION IS GOING TO WORK SO THAT WOULD BE DATA THAT COULD BE --
>> CAN THIS BE SNAG THE JOINT SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COUNCIL AND SCHOOL BOARD WORK TOGETHER TO PRODUCE A JOINT DOCUMENT PRESENTED TO THE TWO BODIES?
THAT'S WHY I WAS VERY EXCITED BY THE IDEA.
>> I THINK MEGAN CAN TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND I WANT TO ECHO OR TOUCH ON WHAT THE CITY MANAGER JUST TALKED ABOUT WHICH IS JOINT SPACES FOR OPERATIONS.
THAT I THINK MAKES THE MOST SENSE AND IS PROBABLY THE MOST HANGING FRUIT AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MORE BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE ALL THE SENSITIVITIES OF OTHER AREAS AND IT COULD PROBABLY FREE SPACE SOMEWHERE ELSEWHERE IT CAN BE RESTORED FOR A SCHOOL OR SAVE MONEY WHERE IT CAN BE USED FOR OTHER NEEDS SO IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK CLOSELY AT.
I WANTED TO BUILD ON SOMETHING COUNCIL MEMBER MCPIKE SAID IF WE'RE GOING HAVE A DOCUMENT TO REACT TO I THINK MAYBE IF IT WAS A SERIES OF QUESTIONS WE WOULD WANT YOU TO EXPLORE EVERY TIME A NEW OPPORTUNITY COMES UP BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER GARY SAID THIS IF THE GOAL IS TO MAXIMIZE EVERY OPPORTUNITY WE NEED TO START WITH THINKING THROUGH WHAT ARE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES LOOKING LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY, WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE FROM AN EQUITY LENS, THE COST, ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS.
SO IF SOMETHING IS GOING TO COME TO US THAT IT WOULD HAVE QUESTIONS VERSUS JUST LIKE HERE'S A STATEMENT OF THE TYPES OF COLOCATION AND THE EXPECTATIONS BUT ALLOW US TO HAVE MORE DIALOGUES LIKE THIS.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
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YOU WANT TO PREVIEW THE NEXT SESSION HERE?I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY USE THE FOUR CATEGORIES OF JOINT PLANNING, MODERNIZATION.
MAYBE NOW THAT I THINK WE'VE HEARD SOME OF THIS CONVERSATION GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER ON PROBABLY ASKING MORE DIRECT QUESTIONS FRANKLY.
AND THEN UTILIZE THE ILLUSTRATION PROCESS TO GIVE YOU EXAMPLES OF HOW YOU MIGHT BASED ON THIS QUESTION IF YOU ANSWER IT THIS WAY THIS MIGHT BE A WAY TO APPROACH THINGS.
KIND OF ORGANIZE IT AROUND THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES.
COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE USE OF SOME OF THE ILLUSTRATIONS.
I THINK I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE US TO USE A THIRD CATEGORY OR THIRD ELEMENT.
WHERE CAN WE GET DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW IT OPERATES.
WHERE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT SEE OPPORTUNITIES FOR.
SO IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE MOVEMENT.
IT MAY BE SOME -- IF WE CAN FIND EFFICIENCIES IN THOSE THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE FIND WAYS TO BE ABLE TO FUND ALL THESE AMAZING THINGS.
AND PROVIDE SOME HELP WITH OUR STAFFING AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO.
I KNOW OTHER CPS AND OUR OTHER STAFF MAY HAVE THOUGHTS AS WELL BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE DIRECT QUESTIONS THIS NEXT ROUND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS? FROM THE ZOOM PEOPLE? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, HAVE A GREAT NIGHT, EVERYONE.
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THANK YOU.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.